well say it again: Spoiler...


Well, I though lets find out who's the strongest enemy in the whole game including tactics and TOB. First of course we should 8 villians who are belonging to the strongest ( i can make a knockout system and make them fight agains each other or we can just discuus about it:P) well as far I can think of the strongest 8 are:

Jon Irenicus
Bodhi
faldorn (improved)
Acid kensai
firkraag (improved)
?
?
?

I have a little blackout so I cant think of more now:S...(really)

[ 07-27-2004, 01:24 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

in relative terms, the duergar party in Irencus' dungeon from tactics (i can't for the life of me remember what the names are...)

apologies for the spoilers. twas my first post [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 07-25-2004, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: Thrain ]

Well... I guess if we include tactics improved Faldorn seems to be one of the harder enemies in the entire game...

[ 07-25-2004, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: bjorn ]

Demagorgan is easy. I had problems with <span style="color:#FFFFFF">ToB PITA until I found a simple (and not particularly cheesy) way to kill him.

[ 07-25-2004, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

riite ths is the SoA forums... i was looking and thinking "who the <span style="color:#FFFFFF">fluff was <span style="color:#FFFFFF">Miss ToB" move this thread to ToB forums...

<span style="color:#FFFFFF">DSlaytern] You have reasonable cause to be annoyed, but do be careful in your language and being an unwitting accomplice of giving out ToB spoilers too.

Cheers.

[ 07-25-2004, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

EDIT: What i said here, as pointed out, kinda did exactly what i had intended to prevent... Sorry, I'll just erase it.

[ 07-25-2004, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: bjorn ]

OK, there's a LOT of things wrong with this thread.
You guys have ToB bosses flying around the place constantly with out any spoiler tags. Naming <span style="color:#FFFFFF">Miss ToB isn't so bad, but what bjorn just said in his last post totally spoils everything.
Rikard T'Aranaxz: I'm aware that you're an old time member, so you know the rules. TyrannuZ (spelling?) was recently banned for his language...don't go the same way as him.
I suggest that everyone that has mentioned someone from ToB in this thread immediately edits their post and erases the name(s) from their posts (including the parts they have quoted).

Irenicus
Bodhi
Kurosain
Improved Faldorn
Firkraag???

[ 07-25-2004, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

srry srry, i was making al right though internet is kindah annaoying to me:$

I don't have Improved Faldorn installed, but I fought the rest of the most difficult enemies with a solo sorc. I would have to say that that acid kensai was by far the most difficult, followed somewhere by Improved Firkragg. Irenicus is miles below.

tbh i have never heard anyone complain about my language before, but i guess this board has changed a lot since the last time i was posting in here.

and Lord Tyrannuz wasnt banned for his language, he's been banned for the message he spread. whole different thing

<font color=plum>That would be Illyich and his henchmen. To be more specific, they are:

Illyich - dwarven fighter (beserker kit?). Equipped with plate armor (IIRC) and two of the best weapons you can find this early in the game. A warhammer +2 and a club +3 (Jaheira has gotta like that one ;) ).
Rasputin - human monk. He moves liked greased lightning and is the most dangerous member of the group, IMHO. One punch can stun your character (or another party member) and effectively knock them out of the fight for good. He wears a Cloak of Protection +1.
Zhivago - evil human cleric. His opening move is to summon a Fallen Diva - as if they didn't have enough powerful enemies in their party already. :eek: . The diva then begins casting some nasty spells of her own in addition to her melee' prowess.
Karamazov - female(?) dwarven Wizard Slayer. She carries a +2 heavy crossbow that fires +3 bolts at the same rate as a light Crossbow of Speed. With the cumulative chance for causing Miscast Magic on successful hits, she is a spellcasters nightmare. In addition to the crossbow and bolts, she carries a very nice Short Sword +2. (If you happen to Charm Karamazov in the battle, you can force her to switch to the sword - thus saving as many of those +3 bolts for your party and/or character as possible :D ).
Jailkeep Golem - a Stone Golem (I think) and very tough in melee. Deals out lots of damage, can slow his opponents, and is immune to weapons with less than a +2 enchantment.
Glabrezu - It's a demon. What more do you need to know? </font>

Can someone clarify the rules for me before I get busted by mistake?? (Yes, I've read the IW posting rules.) Am I to understand that we cannot even say TOB names, in a thread that is already labeled "SPOILERS", simply because this is in the SOA room? I'd think with the thread title including "SPOILERS", we could let the discussion go. I'll wait to hear the expected limits on acceptable speech, then edit this with my input on the thread. Thanks IW.

[ 07-26-2004, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: Hank Parsons ]

<font color=plum>I'm with you on this one, <font color=white>Hank</font>. If the posts listed ONLY bosses from ToB, I could understand the request to move the thread - but since the obligatory SPOILER WARNING is contained in the title, I don't see what is wrong with mentioning a ToB boss here.

Watcher's Keep can be played in SoA and ToB both, so listing the Nameless One here is certainly legitimate (IMHO).

I agree that this thread was designed for SoA bosses ONLY, so I understand that the ToB bosses shouldn't have been mentioned (unless you can also face them in SoA) - but I'm a little shocked at such a strong reaction to ToB names in this thread. I don't know who "Miss ToB" is, because I've never played ToB yet...but since a SPOILER WARNING was given, I wasn't upset to see her listed here.</font>

The thread wasn't even supposed to be limited to SOA bosses. It was supposed to cover the entire game, per the thread-author's question.

[ 07-26-2004, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: Hank Parsons ]

When mentioning ToB on the SoA board, I think it's best to put "ToB spoilers" as a warning. "Spoilers" on the SoA board imply, to me at least, that everything up to and including that final fight with Irenicus is fair game, and so might someone else who's finished SoA. But being comfortable with SoA spoilers doesn't mean you are okay with/ have finished ToB.

[ 07-27-2004, 01:20 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

most powerful, yes. most difficult? no

bear in mind that when you face hard enemies early on in the game, you don't have the awesome stuff you have when you face mellisan or even irenicus. the fights themselves are not easy per say, but at least you have the magic items to fall back on.

illyich in tactics is an absolute bugger to fight simply because he happens so early.

Kruspe: I'm not usually the spoiler police, but your post is about the biggest spoiler in the game and should be treated (prefaced) accordingly. Preferably in red, flashing letters. I agree with Illumina. After all, it's the endgame spoiler.

[ 07-26-2004, 06:46 PM: Message edited by: Feral ]

I would have hoped that a sense of pattern recognition would kick in when other people, typing those letters together, inexorably cause people to swear and get angry and the mod to remove the offending string of letters.

Edit- I do feel Thrain is right, though.. This is why BG tends to be more difficult than the following games. Cloudkill can take out your party because you have no way of countering it.. but in SoA and ToB you get Zone of Sweet Air.

[ 07-26-2004, 06:29 PM: Message edited by: Illumina Drathiran'ar ]

well I havnet faced faldorn and firkraag both improved yet...but if people say they are stronger than improved bodhi:p...then I have rea chalanges to go

Ah, my bad. I did not notice the request for ToB Bosses as well in the first post. I received a report about swearing and ToB Spoilers in the SoA Forum, so I came here to investigate and edited out the offending words in the thread.

Mention of ToB events should be done in the ToB forum, not the SoA forum; even if you want to include both SoA and ToB events. Demogorgan is a special case, because the ToB box already mentions him, so he is not exactly a big surprise (note that I did not edit out his name).

I generally review threads about Watcher's Keep on a case by case basis in the SoA Forum. If the contents of the thread veer too much to the ToB side, I will move the thread to the ToB Thread, which is what I have done for this thread as well.

Discussion of Melissan on the SoA Forum is an exercise of poor judgement in my opinion, and an inconsiderate act to others who have not experienced her yet. The same goes for mentioning the Nine Hells on the SoA Forum without prior warning.

Remember. Not everyone has completed ToB.

He summons a fallen diva?!

Who? Maria Carey, Whitney Housten? I'd better install the tactics mod straight away! I've always been eager for a chance to kill one of those two! :D

[ 07-27-2004, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Zarr ]

I think you should be banned regardless Hairboy ;) If only for not liking all of the Modest Destiny Comics. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Jeez, Zarr, you are *seriously* out of date... yes, Tactics V4 summoned Mariah Carey, but she's been through a few updates since then... Version 12 summoned Christina Aguilara, but the new Version 20 summons... wait for it... Jessica Simpson! Hah! Try & deal with that!

Oh.. wait... back on topic... (now that this has been TOB-ized) my Top 10 toughest (***for when they appear in the game***) would be...

1) Improved Ilyich (from Tactics)
2) Improved Irenicus (& company, granted, but even without, given his 3 incarnations, I'd put him right up there... from Tactics)
3) Improved Bodhi (Chapter 6, that is, from Tactics)
4) Improved Abazigail (from Ascension... granted it can be got separately)
5) Improved Sendai (from Oversight, I believe... if I'm wrong on that, correct me & I'll Edit)
6) "Improved" Faldorn (from Tactics... cheese from Hell, plus the whole lone combat thing)
7) Minor Avatar of Sekolah (I'm not sure I spelled that right, which bugs me, but not enough to check, but anyway... he's tough [img]smile.gif[/img] ... from Tactics)
8) that stupidly over-powered Slaver guy that's holding Kiara captive (from Kiara-Zaiya)
8) because that doesn't count, my real #8 is... Firkraag (he *can* be easy if you do him right before Irenicus, but pre-Underdark he's friggin' tough)
9) Shade Lord (Shade Lord? did he really say Shade Lord? try getting to him, much less beating him, if you role-play a Good party... means meet Tolgerias right out of Chateau Irenicus, means go after Valygar, means go to Umar Hills, means help Umar Hills, means 2 Liches [what's the plural of Lich?], means Shadow Dragon, means *sigh of relief* at how easy the Shade Lord is if you've survived all that...)
10) I'm gonna go with... Anath the Werewolf (granted you can bypass her without combat, but there's a pretty good chance that she's immune to anything you can dish out & will kill your whole party if you're not prepared for her)

Hmmm... funny how many of those are from MOD's... might explain why I use them... [img]smile.gif[/img]

- Imrahil

I have perhaps a stupid question...where can you find Zhivago never heard of him:$

Zhivago is part of the tactics mod.