I found the fight with Demogorgon in Watchers Keep hard because my party was just Monk (40), Sarevok(31) and later I drafted Edwin(16 i needed him to cast RRR and Breach). I can kill him easy peasy now by getting rid of the Mariliths. I suppose it is a bug but here it is. I send my monk down to initiate the fight, wait for Mariliths to be summoned and then leg it out the portal. Rest overnight and when you return they will be unsummoned. They never come back so you can concentrate on killing Demogorgon then. As far as I can tell they never come back. I did it 5 or 6 times. He does heal himself though so don't bother trying to hit him before resting.You also don't get the experience for killing them, duh.

I think I smell cheese... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I know that we are all guilty of doin something like this in our BG experience. Breadbin i think you should beat the Demogorgon fair and square first and then go back and cheese it up on another quest. How ever in my mind IT IS THE TUFFEST NONE MOD BATTLE IN ALL OF THE BG SERIES. Thus for if you are concerned on beating this battle then use this technique because it is the easiest way to kill the dmogorgan for me. This strategy also works for battles against any other creature that summons something!!

For me it is also the toughest battle after you add mods. The fight gets extremely difficult when your NPCs get stunned and then are just getting whacked at over, and over, and over, etc.

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easy way to kill the lich in the gate district with 8 level party-send some one to him, and the rest will wait near the district exit. When he goes out and casts a spell go to other district. repeat it several times, untill he runs out of spells.
kill him afterwards.

Why bother with traveling? Just enter and exit the tomb on and on and have your guys wait outside the tavern. This fast cheese to deplete spellcasters works with everybody who is in a non-party required area (e.g. Rayic Gethras).
And on the more honest side: Enter the tomb with a invisible thief, pick the lock, steal Daystar and cast Sunray :D

Heh, I must remember that one for my Ninja party.

Why bother with traveling? Just enter and exit the tomb on and on and have your guys wait outside the tavern. This fast cheese to deplete spellcasters works with everybody who is in a non-party required area (e.g. Rayic Gethras).
And on the more honest side: Enter the tomb with a invisible thief, pick the lock, steal Daystar and cast Sunray :D </font>[/QUOTE]Correct me if I am wrong but Liches see through invisibility.(I have Tactics Mod)

This one doesn't. I dunno if the tactics mod changes him though. Seriously, going in and out of a room when something casts spells is cheese and nothing else. You can cheese almost anything in the game and for some people I guess the urge is too high and they can't help themselves. If you want instant cheese on any lich, just cast protection from undead on your main tank and keep the rest out of the way and hidded from the lich. They can be fun to fight though, if you do them without cheese. Even funnier is having a high level Viconia turn them and gain control of them ;) You can make them spellstrike/breach their own spell and combat protections lol. Liches sure aren't the smartest enemies ever made.

I don't know if it is cheating or not but I struggled with him for ages and with the party I had it was just something I happened upon. Now that I think about it though I have used it before without realising. A battle of note is Kangaxx. I did that with him although he came through the door eventually. I was a solo monk all through SoA and I had to find ways and means to kill these types. I never heard of a Ninja class before is that a mod or something?

Yes. Ninja is a kit in a The Darkest Day Mod,but it is <u>very</u> buggy. I am sure that Indemaijinj had something else in mind.

[ 09-25-2003, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: Xen ]

They do, including this one. He can see you to cast spells at you, but he can't see you to talk to you--and he won't turn Hostile until he's spoken his piece. Just a quirk.

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And on the more honest side: Enter the tomb with a invisible thief, pick the lock, steal Daystar and cast Sunray :D

Hey, that's my trick, and it works really well too. :D

Here's a way to get rid of the mariliths that isn't quite as cheesy (well, a little cheesy). Send one character down to start the fight with Demogorgon. He summons the marilits. Run back up the steps, and the mariliths pursue. Have some summoned creatures ready at the top of the steps. They attack the mariliths. Take your party back down to face Demogorgon, who is all by his lonesome. The beauty of it is, your summoned creatures won't kill the mariliths, they'll just keep them busy for awhile, giving you time to seriously damage Demogorgon before the mariliths finish off your creatures and come back down to help their boss.

[img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] Why did you ressurected this thread for God`s sake?

chill Xen, it's not biggie. At least it keeps the forum 'cleaner' by not putting in more threads. There's really nothing wrong with it unless it's an extremely long thread (like the BGT thread) or if it's an extremely old thread.

Thread necromancy seems to become trendy again. Maybe there should be a longer passage about it in the FAQ (or maybe people should read the FAQ :D )

Yeah, chill, Xen. I just got to the Demogorgon the other day, so for me the topic was fresh.

Thread necromancy does not make the forum cleaner. It clutters it with outdated information on the main page. A link to reference information from the past is fine, but wholesale resurrection is not very civil to the others who are trying to make their new threads (unless there is a very good reason for doing so. I do not consider this one a valid enough reason, but since the thread is fairly recent (one month), I will let it slide).

In short, Thread Necromancy is NOT encouraged.

You can't be serious. This game is two years old. That makes 98% of the content on the main page on any given day outdated. There's a thread out there now on which battle is the toughest. Come on. How many times has *that* been discussed? Would my comment have been relevant if I had started a whole new thread? Or would someone have replied, 'we talked about that a month ago, you can't talk about it anymore'. If that's the case, you should lock the whole board and make it an FAQ, since a large number of the posts on this board are questions anyway, many of which have been discussed to death and can be answered by doing a search (which is why I rarely ask questions on a board like this, and just do searches; it saves, like you said, on 'clutter'). What difference does it make, anyway? The topic is still old regardless, and the content of the post is still new. The thread I 'resurrected' was the latest in a long line of threads on the exact same subject. You could argue that that thread fell under the definition of 'clutter' when it first appeared, as you said, only a month ago. Now I come along, have something new to add, but because the thread is old, suddenly you are classifying the new post as 'having no value', and being 'uncivil', and 'invalid'. I rarely rant on a board like this, but a couple of responses here are a bit overblown, and have actually been more uncivil than the resurrection of this old thread. I won't respond anymore on this thread. After all, it will just keep it near the top, and that would be unfair to the new posts. I suggest you retire it.

Not quite. Believe it or not, the game is still evolving. In the form of mods and new tactics. If you browse the forums frequently, you will see them rather often. ;)

A lot. By different people though. As "generations" of members come and go, so do the opinions held by them. What may have been relevant in the past, may not be relevant now. The difficulty of Kangaxx for instance. To well-versed veterans, Kangaxx pose no more fear to them than a hostile rabbit, but months ago when they were newbies, Kangaxx would have caused them much pain.

No sane member will hold it against you for starting a new thread if the earlier thread was buried pages away. The only time making a new thread is considered a social boo-boo is when there is a similar topic on the main page (and to a lesser extent, page 2).


You put words into my mouth. ;) I never said that your new post had no value. I stated that in general, wholesale necromancy is uncivil to the rest. Did I lock this thread? Did I delete your post? Nay, I said I would let it pass. Think of it as the Traffic Policeman who shrugs his shoulder, says "Meh", and decides that he has bigger fish to fry when he notices somebody exceeding the speed limit by 5 kmph.

That said, this is not an invitation to everybody to raise old threads; because this will just push off all the new threads (which is really, really unfair to them). Should that happen, it would force me to take more serious actions.

It is up to you on when you want to post, but as I said. I already decided to let this incident slide. The ball is in your court now, not mine.

[ 10-26-2003, 04:03 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]