Just finally got an installable version of SoA, so i can again play SoA/ToB, and i was thinking of taking a party through both. I've tried Aerie's romance (except ToB) and was wondering, does installing ToB and all the patches fix the Jahiera romance in SoA? If it doesn't, i tihnk i'll take Aerie, and see what her romance is liek in ToB.

just finished ToB through SoA last weekend, with all the patches...
Jaheira romance works perfectly...

and one of the reasons I went through it again is to say {spolier} to Jaheira in the end ^^!!!

In my experience, NO. <u>Nothing</u> fixes Jaheira's Quest or Romance, except going in there yourself with the CLUA Console and giving her a boot to the head every time she gets stuck.

I dunno Six... I mean... I managed to finish her romance flawlessly the one time I did it. I believe it is a matter of how you do her quests that matters more.

White Lancer,

Including my current game, I've completed the SOA portion of the Jaheira romance about 6 times successfully.

Havn't used any special 'romance' fixes - just official patch and Baldurdash fixpack.

I only played through her romance once, and had no problems. In fact, I have not had a problem with any romance. I have heard of the bugs with Jaheira's romance, though; I just haven't been bit by them.

Let me describe my current game:
My PC is a Male Cavalier with awesome stats. We zipped through Chapters 1-3, as Caedmon wanted to free Imoen as quickly as possible. We saved Renfeld, but told Xzar to go suck on the wrong end of a turtle or something. Jaheira and I share a few Lovetalks (and flirts) all through Chapter 6, but nothing serious. On our return to Athkatla, we visit the Graveyard (Nalis has to go to a funeral & everything), and Bodhi did not take Jaheira--lucky me, as I didn't want to face Improved Bodhi minus a party member. That idiot, Xzar, is still standing in the rain waiting for us, so we take pity on him and do his quest. Kill a couple of Zhents, watch another get stabbed, all in a day's work for this Paladin. A few Lovetalks later, I'm wondering when Meronia is going to show up. We get Jaheira cursed & uncursed, the Lovetalks stop, and still no Meronia. In desperation, I sleep outdoors, and get the bandit scenario (Note: This is the farthest I've ever gotten in the Jaheira romance). After that gets taken care of, I give the correct dialogue responses and all is well. Until our next Lovetalk, of course, when I find that any conversation with Jaheira (She initiates flirt, I initiate flirt, she initiates Lovetalk) gets kicked to the "You've just had your throat cut by bandits" conversation. And STILL no Meronia.

Luckily, I had a Save-game archived only a few days previously, when I wanted to see if killing Firkraag on your first meeting really DOES screw up the Paladin stronghold (it doesn't). Tonight, I'm going to sleep outdoors again and hope that Jaheira doesn't get stuck on the Bandit dialogue this time. Oh, and there's STILL no Meronia, by the way.

[ 08-06-2003, 03:15 AM: Message edited by: SixOfSpades ]

I think the troubles all began when you rejected Xzar. It must have messed up the script somehow. Like it or not... Jaheira's Quest is intertwined with her Romance. To skip the quest or do it wrongly is to mess up the romance as well. I notice you did not mention helping the Harpers or Baron's Ployer's Curse. They all help contribute to Jaheira's romance.

Keep looking through the posts somewhere in here there is a pos that helps alot gives you a walk through of the love dialogs.

[img]tongue.gif[/img] Read my post again, Dundee--I *did* do Xzar's quest and help the Harpers; I just didn't do so until Chapter 6. And yes, I did mention Ployer (we did him in Chapter 6 as well). I knew that her Quest and Romance are linked--but even so, both have stopped cold. Perhaps Meronia not showing up to take Jaheira to the Harper Hold is what's causing Jaheira to get stuck on that one bit of dialogue.

I appreciate the thought, but the romance dialogues are NOT the problem. The problem is that Jaheira's Quest and Romance are buggy as hell: Knowing the correct dialogue responses is utterly useless if you can never even get to the dialogues in the first place.

<font color=green>Update:</font> After reloading my archived Save and playing up to where I left off, my party was again ambushed by bandits, and I again offered myself as the throat-cutting stand-in. After the scuffle, Jaheira once again refused to say anything to me, so I talked to her, and found that we were right back in that old "Are....are you all right" dialogue trap I descibed earlier.

Gotta side with Six here. I have done the Jaheira quest using my brain, followed by at least 3 guides, and never have I not had to, to use a quote from SixofSpades "give her a boot to the head every time she gets stuck." I quite like that phrase, Six. :D

I'm not one to normally kiss and tell, but Jahiera has finnaly made my day [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img] just before killing jon boy. Now I have started TOB does the romance continue or is it just a one night stand?

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If you finished the romance in SoA (and it sounds like you did), then it will continue in ToB.

You misunderstand me, Six. I meant to say that you initially rejected Xzar. Doing Jaheira's romance so late in the game is bound to cause complications.

Okay, will somebody please send me the names and addresses of the BioWare scripters who said, "Hey, let's make the Jaheira Quest and Romance Chapter-dependent," so I can buy a car, drive cross-country and kick their asses.

Then they will call the DIBs( Developers In Black) to kidnap you, haul you to some deserted warehouse on an black isle and scream at you while continously playing Anomen's sound scripts in the background.

"YOU try writing the scripts within a week!"

"Time! TIME! We had no time!"

"What have you coded so far buster? And how much time did you have to do it?!?!"

"Bet you do not have a deadline."

;)

Oh, the horror...I couldn't bear listening to Anomen for half an hour...which is why as soon as he started to brag, I made him decorate my stronghold...

Stone gray fits him, no?

I'll join you in that cross country drive now. I installed the flirt pack and am trying to get the stupid bandits to show up, and they won't. I've slept at Nalia's keep outside (after it goes to the Roenall's) and the Druid Grove (out in BFE), and no bandits. I even tried hiking to the Umar Hills and sleeping there, with no luck. How do you trigger the stupid bandits to show up?

Oh, and I started having this problem the day you described your current problems with the romance (omen?).

Hey, let's make an entirely new separate forum, just for Romance problems.

Yesterday, I completely restarted the game. Same PC, same NPCs, same quest order, etc. Same as before, we zipped through Chapters 2 & 3, with Improved de'Arnise being our only major quest, although this time through, we did Xzar and Ployer right away. We just got to Brynnlaw.
Romance Status: After each LoveTalk, I try to initate a flirt. No dice yet, but we're still not very far (I think we're on the one after "A copper for your thoughts"). However, we zipped to Chapter 4 even quicker on our previous game, and still got a few flirts in before Chapter 4.
Quest Status: It's been more than a week since we handed over the Harper Bird.....and STILL no F'n Meronia!!!

You guys are tempting me to try the Jaheira romance a second time and complete it again. Considering my opinion of Jaheira, that is quite a feat.

I don't know about you all, but unless I download at least two mods that cover as much area as The Darkest Day does, there's no way I'll ever be able to finish her romance. The furthest I had ever gotten was Jaheira bugging me about "How did you feel about the last battle? Angry? Bloodthirsty, perhaps??" Then I killed Jon Bon and beat SoA.

I never ran into Elminster, never got her name cleared with the Harpers, but things would go more smoothly if she would follow her (bleep)-ing banters through the Underdark like she should! But from some extensive research, there is no way for Meronia to show up unless there is romance brewing, and I mean such as right after you get ambushed by the Bandits. Other than that, I've had it happen like such one time.

I go through the Harper Stronghold and get Monty for Xzar, a polymorph later, he dies. And right, and I mean right after that happened, Meronia shows up. I thought it was a bug because I got as far as "I renounce my life as a Harper" in less than 2 days. Bugged you ask...

<font color="blue" size="5">Could be...</font>

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Make sure you do all four of these things first:

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1. Harper's Hold quest</font>
2. Ployer/Curse quest</font>
3. Buy her the locket from the merchant in the Docks district</font>
4. Bandit quest</font>

Make sure you buy the locket before finishing the third of the quests. Bandits only appear when sleeping outdoors.

The best advice I can give to you to get the romance going is to spend a lot of times in outdoor settings. Meronia will come wherever you are at, but Dermin only comes when you are outdoors (Druid Grove, Nalia's keep if you did not accept stronghold, etc.). Also, before you head to chapter 4, get to the point where Dermin and Jaheira fight. Otherwise, they pop up right when you are about to talk to the elves in Chapter 6, which turns them hostile, preventing you from finishing the game.

What I did to "unfreeze" the romance:

Went to the Druid's Grove, stayed in one corner (away from any monsters). Slept. If no Bandits appear, then what I recently discovered is that they will only appear after a certain number of lovetalks and a certain amount of gametime. To get to that point, pause the game after waking up, then go do some other activities around the house (watch TV, clean, etc.) for about a half hour to 45 minutes. Come back, and when you unpause you should have the lovetalk. Rinse and repeat. Alternately, you can use SK to set ahead the time, but considering that I am cleaning the house right now I just used the former method. Also, I found that Dermin will only spawn if you rest, and only in outdoor settings, and only after a certain number of lovetalks. If you reach a point where she is not talking anymore, then rest. If he still does not show up, then go to another outdoor area, then rest. He should appear then. If not, have some more lovetalks (eventually, if you get far enough in the lovetalks, the game forces him to appear the next time you are outdoors). Finally, some of her lovetalks only happen if you rest outdoors. So if after waiting/setting ahead the time, a lovetalk does not occur, then rest outdoors. Best bet: do not go to Chapter 4 until you finish the romance.

I used this method to blow through her romance in one chapter, and am doing so now in my Holy Liberator game ( [img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] Cavalier is better IMHO, but still playing through for the roleplaying). This method of "speeding up" the romance works for Aerie and Viconia also.

Well, Nerull, I obviously can't set up my version of the game as a paragon of how the Jaheira quests "Should" be, but these are a few of the things I've seen in past games:</font>

• Getting pretty far in her Harper quest (encounter with Reviane's group of Harpers and then Dermin's) without ever getting her Cursed or buying the locket</font>
• Getting pretty far in her Harper quest without Romancing her at all</font>
• First meeting with Dermin in places like the Temple District and the Docks District, and never right after resting</font>

In my current game, we've just entered Chapter 5. I did everything I could for her Quest and Romance in Chapters 2 and 3, but both plot lines seem to have crashed and burned before the end of the second week. No flirts, no LoveTalks, no Meronia. I stayed in Chapter 3 an extra week (doing nothing, and avoiding Quest EXP like the plague--saving that for Imoen), sitting around and waiting for Jahiera-related stuff to happen, but nothing doing. I am sorely tempted to hack my Blade of Roses into her Helmet slot and leave it at that.

In light of this, the next edition of Volothamp's Comeuppance will feature a very large sidebar; it would be a Chapter unto itself, but it has to branch off of the Chapter on Cheating. This sidebar is, of course, all about the F'd up B that is Jaheira, and will describe everything you need to give her a good hard boot to the head--and yes, I mean giving the names of every single variable and their correct values. I want to give gamers the <u>entire</u> set of tools they'll need to set her straight (starting with the ball peen hammers). As I estimate that I've tried (and failed) to Romance her about 4 times in the past, and this is my THIRD run through the game with the same character, trying to Romance her, I have lost all patience with this pathetic freak show that BioWare thought was "fully patched."

I remember a nice bugfix for Jaheira's romance on some Polish site but U think it is already included with Baldurdash.
I have never had major problems with the Jaheira romance after installing that one. However doing the Harper quests (which present themselves right at the start) could probably get her stuck in some dialogues.
Don't get me wrong but I think that the developers just figured that early in the game you'd take any quest possible and they made sure you wouldn't miss it by planting the poisoned fella.

hey, Six...
I've successfully ran through Jaheira romance several times, including the recent SoA to ToB twice (I just like her somehow ^_*)...based on my experience...

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1. you don't need to be in romance with Jaheira to get those Jaheira quests (her getting curse, the WHOLE harper affair; that is, even you aren't romancing her, she can still get the harper's pin, the difference is that if you're romancing her at the time, you [PC] will get extra XP when she gets Harper's pin)

2. the required events and most love talks occur ONLY in Chapter 2 and 6! for example, there's once the next required event was that she left the party to harper's hold, and I got her note from Terminsel when I woke up outdoor, it occured immediately after I returned from the underdark; that is, this event was waiting for the Ch. 3,4,5 to pass to occur and there will be nothing happening during those long days. so...sitting around doing nothing in Ch. 3 wouldn't help you...doing that in ch. 6 will.

3. Many of her love talks are triggered while your party REST (some require to be resting OUTDOOR, and some anywhere would be fine), and most importantly, if you by any chance give her "wrong" answers while love talking, the romance just screws. Once, I told her that "if you cannot follow the order of city, you'd better live along" (I thought she'd like that) when she talked about nature and city, and that was a wrong answer~_*

4. buying her the locket is OPTIONAL to either the Jaheira Harper quest or Jaheira romance. and went deep into harper quest without her being cursed is bizzre but possible...that is, you probably never entered the Sean's Bounty inn? the curse quest mostly is triggered the first time you enter the sean's bounty inn with Jaheira in your party.

most of the time I finished the romance in Ch. 2 and once in Ch. 6. Jaheira romance is different from Viconia one (Viconia romance proceeds regardless of chapters; most of time I finished Viconia romance in ch. 5 and you can NEVER finish Jaheira romance in Ch. 5 for Terminsel will not show up in the underdark) and you cannot do the Jaheira romance in the same manner you do the Viconia one. so...if you're in between ch. 2 and 6, you'd probably better consider that it's a "dead" time for Jaheira romance (thus it might be fun to have concurrent romance tweak...while there's no Jaheira you get Viconia romance going with you through those long days ^_*)

[ 08-14-2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: teardropmina ]

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Well, yeah, you can do pretty much most of the quests without doing the romance. And I have always questioned what role the locket really plays (unless you play with the flirtpack, then there is a mention of it). But I was just stating what I have done that works well (other than the one error with having to wait a little longer to get the Bandits). I just finished the whole thing again in one chapter. I looked up spoilers on the romance, and it simply states that you have to be outside for Dermin to appear, so yes it can happen in middle of the Bridge District, or anywhere else outside. However, there are some romance options that only work when you rest out in BFE (I honestly don't know if it freezes the romance if the condition is not met, or if it goes on and then comes back to that dialog when the condition is met). And if Dermin has not appeared by a certain point one of the later dialogs in the romance forces him to appear the next time you rest.

Hey, if you've gotten it to work without some of the quests/events, more power to you! I just believe in dotting my I's and crossing my T's with that romance, since it can be a pain to have the circumstances roll out just right.

I would just like to make it clear that I already know everything about Jaheira's Quest and Romance (the early parts, anyway). I know that one can be done without the other, I know what kind of LoveTalk responses will kill the Romance, I know that her Harper Quest is put on hold in Chapters 4-5 because Reviane certainly isn't going to lead her troop of Harpers into the Underdark looking for you. I want to make it clear that I have never screwed up anything Jaheira-related myself: The bugs take care of that perfectly well on their own.

I thank you for your kind thoughts (and, I'm sure, pity), but I do not *need* people telling me that I have to Rest outside. Those who write entire Guides covering pretty much every aspect of the game are very rarely in need of help with a specific quest.

Moving on to my latest exploits; man, this game is getting more farcical by the minute! As if my Jaheira problems weren't enough, we developed a bug in Nalia's quest too--although that seems to have resolved itself--and imagine my shock when Anomen FAILED his Test. (I went back and discovered that in our fight with the Githyanki, Jaheira had gotten Confused and whacked a Commoner. Ooops. Auto-Save.) As far as Jaheira is concerned, though, it turns out that I wasn't done with everything in Chapters 2 & 3 after all--I should have Rested once more. As soon as the party emerged from my typical "No Resting, at all, in Chapters 4 & 5," we zipped back to Athkatla, rescued Nalia, had Anomen knighted, and caught some Zzz's. And then, in the morning, Jaheira pops up with another Romance nightmare! Ah, jeez. Next thing you know, she's Flirting with me, but I'm in no mood (Stupid b* let bugs kill her Quest before I had an opportunity to get the Ring), so I tell her I don't want to flirt right now. <font color=red>Silly me didn't know that this would kill the Romance.</font> And then, wonder of wonders, out comes <u>Meronia</u>!

Status: Sent Reviane off safely, had first meeting with Dermin. Imoen likes her spiffy new Ring. Have used SK to change JAHEIRAROMANCEACTIVE and FWJAHEIRASTARTFLIRTSOA back to 1.