So whats a no-reload game? Meaning you cant die? Or what?

*nods*

Can't die, can't reload. Just like real life. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Can't die, can't reload. Just like real life. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Can't die in RL? *giggle* [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

PS: Isn't no-reload just that you can't reload? (I really don't have a clue though, so don't listen to me. [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

[ 06-12-2003, 02:39 AM: Message edited by: Spelca ]

A no-reload game is just as it sounds - a game in which you don't reload. ;) If you die - you restart. Yep, straight out of Chateau Irenicus. If your tactic fails - there's no "redoing" it. You'll have to deal with the consequences.

Accidently killed a peasent in the Docks? No more entering the docks for you, minster!

Messed up the Windspear Hills quest somehow? You can forget about Carsomyr.

etcetera, etcetera...

It's quite nice - and it's not even as difficult as it may sound (although it can get frustrating at times). If you feel the game is too easy for you - go ahead. See for yourself if you're worthy for the BG2 Holy Grail! [img]smile.gif[/img]

This is also referred to as an "Ironman".

It is a test of skill and strategy in BG2.

In BG1 it is just torture.

<span style="color: lightblue">I think that "Ironman" gaming also involves that you use your first rolled stats - click 'Abilities', click 'done'.

That sounds more like 'ironbrain' already [img]smile.gif[/img] Of course, someone really into it would probably do it anyway.

Hmmmm..... No-Reloads.... Thats just insane. Reminds me of my Final Fantasy 7 days. I played a no-materia game. Or FFX, a no-SphereGrid game. I'll give it a try, but, I dont think I'll succeed. Im just too impatience. I often run into a battle and see what happens. Like the Improved Abazigal on insane: I would have kicked his ass earlier if I just used that nice scroll of prot from electricty, but I was just too lazy and impatient, so I died. Restarting the game from THERE will be an absolute no-no for me u c [img]smile.gif[/img]

I assume of corse that you can save to eat and sleep and then load up?

LOL! :D Yes, of course. We're not that masochists.

yeh but has anyone done no re-loads right through bg1,TotSC,bg2 and throne of bhaal? that is the ultimate!!!

I forgort to say, I bow to any one has done that, evven attempted it, i would just get annoyed if i died becoz imagine if ur wer in tob and u died, u would have to start bg1 agen. although this wil become easier once every1 has got the patch that adds bg1 to bg2

I don't think that no-reload is much more difficult in ToB than in SoA.

It all lies in having complete control of the situation ALWAYS. Taking it slow. Prepping properly, so you are practically immune to anything that might screw you up.


No the real problem is BG1. As a small first level character you get thrown out in some rather hairy battles involving spellcasters of superior levels. You have yet to gain any of the "safeguards" that BG2'ers rely on. Basically there are a lot of fights where luck is a major factor.

I serousily doubt that the ToB Final Boss on Insane could be defetead with no-reloads. Excluding Ascension that is. But with Ascension...no way i say.

[ 06-12-2003, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Xen ]

Why not? Think about it... if it can be done with reloads, surely it can be done with none. ;) Sure - OOC knowledge is necessary, and perhaps a grain of luck, but I see no reason why it should be impossible.

I'm slowly getting there. I'll let you know. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Can you remind me, Alson, which race/class do you play? What party (I hope you do have a party ;) ).
If I ever try to do such a thing, I shall take something versatile, FMT, for example. And *not* on insane. Core rules is quite enough for me.

Would making custom items for no-reloads game mean cheesiness? Yes, I know, it depends on the item... Rhetorical query.

Do you have mods?

Can't die, can't reload. Just like real life. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Can't die in RL? *giggle* [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

PS: Isn't no-reload just that you can't reload? (I really don't have a clue though, so don't listen to me. [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) </font>[/QUOTE]Oops...didn't mean it that way! :D

I mean you can't die and just reload the game. If you die or otherwise screw your "life" up, you are stuck having to start over again from scratch. In other words, like real life, you have to be careful, as you only get one go at things!

Tried it once (in BG1, of all things), and gave up when I met that first bounty hunter (way too tough that early in the game). Sure I could have avoided the guy early, but if you think about it, your foster father told you to make a beeline to that place before he died. Just roleplaying at that point!

Me too, actually. I play an Elven Fighter/Mage/Thief. Solo. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I'm already planning my next cruise through... I'm still undecided:
(1) Dundee's Wizard Slayer->Thief combo, solo
(2) A party: Swashbuckler, Kensai, Ranger/Cleric and a Skald
Both (1)&(2) are aimed for maximum efficiency - (1) is for defense, (2) is for offense.

I thought I'll try:
(3) The All-Too-Common solo Sorcerer
, but eventually decided that it'll either bee too hard, or too boring.

On Insane. It's the only way. :D

Yep - quite a few, actually.
Installed Weimer's Item Upgrades Mod, the entire array of Tactics, Ascension... what else? The usual, you know. I also have Sola, Valen & Kelsey installed - but since I'm solo, these mods don't have any effect on the gameplay.

So how far are you Alson?

Whew! SoA Solo No Reloads Rambling. ;)

My congrats to Alson and everyone else who's actually achieved this mammoth challenge. Personally, i think you're all insane and have way too much free time on your hands but don't let that detract from the pride (and bragging priveleges) that you've earned the right to possess. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

As good as it sounds, i don't think i'm of the calibur to be attempting such madness. I've had my share of fanatical gaming attempts in the past (Ultimate Doom with a pistol and no reloads; *punches the air* Yeah, i'm a DoomiGod!!) but i really think this one's beyond me. So i'll just make up some excuse that i haven't the patience or the free time to do so. (yeah, a busy man. That sounds distinguished.) ;)

/Does Queen Elizabeth's hand wave. [img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img]

Thank you, thank you. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Megalomania=On] The heavens move because he waves his hand! The waters stir as he twiddles his toes! The winds blow as he passes! And on a whim he can break them all! [/Megalomania] :D

It's really not as impressive as it sounds, though. Honestly. After you internalize the paranoia, it's just like any other solo game. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Nonsense!

Balderdash!

Try it sometime. The game is *so* much more involving when you don't have the good old Power Word: Reload safety net to rely upon. Kinda brings back memories of the very first steps through the game... "W-Wh-What?! Time Stop? By god, what were they smoking?!" :D

[ 06-22-2003, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: Alson ]

When you put it like that, then perhaps. The vast majority of the game is readily doable without too much stress so long as you've planned your strategies carefully. I've just done the first three levels of WC after defeating Yaga-Shura and i haven't died since Irenicus.

The thing that scares me is that no matter how well prepared you are, there are a few battles (particularly the Weimer battles) which can turn sour without any mistakes on your behalf. A poor role on that critical saving throw; too bad. A tenth level mage scores a 1/100 succesful remove magic; shit happens. It's chance misfortunes like that that deter me. But then, that's why it's recognised as the challenge that it is i 'spose.

I don't know. One day i'll stop wining, grow some 'nads and try it. 'Til then, you'll have to be content with my praise for people who've done it.

Two more things: Where do people stand on the matter of cheese in an ironman game? And is it possible to legitimately roleplay an ironman game?

Alson, just something I've realised while playing the Wizard Slayer > Thief dual. It starts off decently, and gets better when your MR% starts picking up.

Then you dual to a thief and things go tits up ;) Your MR% vanishes, you are restricted to using magical weapons and armour and you have the pleasure of being a L1 thief. Great.

The main downside with this is that you can't use potions of invisibility, magical rings, necklaces etc until your thief level exceeds your Wizard Slayer level.

I went for the L24/L28 dual, which means I have a long way to go before I can become all powerful. I dream of hitting L25 as a thief, I will get use any item plus my beloved MR% back.

Since dualling at the end of Saughin city, I have advanced to a L11 thief, and have only just entered Ust Natha. I have not started or completed any drow quests (though I did kill the mind flayers and beholders).

Just be warned, it takes a lot of patience to make this dual work.

Exactly.

Actually... no. ;) Behold:

Since you're solo, you'll have all the good loot for yourself and your saves will be practically arctic. Even if you failed the save (doesn't happen, really)... playing wisely, you should be immune to the effect anyway. Always walk around with Pro-Fear, Pro-Fire, Stoneskin and Spirit Armor on. Keep the Shield of Harmony and/or Greenstone Amulets handy. If you're a part-Cleric, Death Ward & Chaotic Commands are a must. Get my drift? ;)

Hey - you snooze, you lose. ;) Don't fight casters with Spell Immunity: Abjuration. Have a backup plan in case your buffs are dispelled (shouldn't happen).

Player laziness is the number 1 cause for no-reloads failures. There's no such thing as "misfortunes" if you're fully prepared for everything.

You go!

Oh, I am! I'm fishing for kudos, here. :D

Ironman == no reloads? Well... that's a personal matter. If you're OK with it, go ahead. I've used fishy tactics here and there, myself. I'm quite proud that I havn't used Project Image, though. [img]smile.gif[/img]

To a certain degree - yes. As long as you're not losing power in favor of it - roleplay ahead. I did it, although it's amazingly frustrating to roleplay a neutral character in BG2.

[ 06-22-2003, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Alson ]

I think there are a few other restrictions in an Ironman game, such as choosing the first set of stats that you get. Although, I'm not sure whether or not you leave it alone (ie: keep the same Strength, Dexterity, etc. that the roll gives you), or whether you're allowed to distribute the points around.

Just gather a party of 5-6 before taking on those early fights - then they become 'fairly' safe. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I've done a no-reload in BG1 - wouldn't dream of trying it in BG2 (never did learn all those spell(combination)s.

The tactic is: lots of missile-fire and lots of wands.

[ 06-22-2003, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: Ar-Cunin ]