hey i just started playing bg2 again and i cant seem to get past the demi lich in watchers keep.. he is the one sort of by the machine of lum the mad and everytime i go in his room i cant kill him and he casts imprisonment on my whole party.. any ideas?

need a little more info what characters at what levels, look at dundee's sig fot the ways to stop imprisonment

playing with 18 invoker, 21 berserker, 22 priest of talos, multi fighter lvl 14/druid lvl 14, 25 assasin, 18 necro

and i dont even see a sig on dundees post

Go to the SoA forum and run a search on "kangaxx". One demi-lich is much like another.

Dundee's sig isnt used in all of his posts, but it is used. Might have to hunt a bit for it. Links in it are vey useful.

www.baldurdash.org has a section "50 ways to kill your kangaxx". A humerous look at methods of offing Kangaxx, and it applies to this one as well.

This demi-lich dosent have any scripting, so you can use a protection from magic scroll or a protection from undead scroll to render him harmless. Mace of Disruption will kill him extremely quickly. Otherwise +4 weapons should hurt him. Magic is virtualy useless against him.

ok thanks for the help i killed him and now i have another question.. should i attempt to kill the dragon saradex?

Well, to tell you all the truth, as apposed to the lich, I have no idea what you're all talking about. I've even read about him in a walkthrough, saying that he has the Purifier, but I never found him.

But onto Saladrex. I say go for it if you have the gear and if you have some experience in fighting dragons in the past. Do what I do and throw up a lot of magic protections and any spells that give you better saving throws or Ac bonuses. Then, when you fight him, your best bet is to use Whirlwind/Greater Whirlwind attack. Use it a couple of times with at least 3-4 of your party members and any of them that have the ability. After a few turns, he'll fall. Hope this helps.

saladrex should be a cakewalk at this point, as for where the demilich is, he's in the githyanki side on the southwest wall(if north is the top of the screen)

You know what? I've been through WK over twenty times, and I HAVE NEVER FOUND THE LICH! Can someone please tell me where he is and what he drops?

I killed that particular demi-lich yesterday, Mace of Disruption +2 will not, I repeat, WILL NOT kill him. I sent Annoyman, protected from undead, carrying the mace. He hits, it says "undead destroyed", but it isn't. He continues to float happily. Ah, well, it took a few more hits to make him bounce of the ground ;) .

It has no Purifier, it has Dagger of the Star +4.

Berserker's rage makes the berserker immune to imprisonment (and it is all that matters). Slayer's change does also.

I'll not kill Saladrex, he proved to be friendly. I don't kill friendly people (nor dragons ;) ).

But as allways, remember:
Dragon breath or Comet = instant crispy demi-lich

I don't know about that Daan, some monsters like liches have defenses that are high against spells. It's best if you send in another sorcerer and maybe a cleric that can cast true sight, so he can't go invisible and your mage can cast Breach or Pierce Magic. Best tactic to use if you're a mage is a combo of Spell Trap, Spell Turning (Cloak of Mirroring), and Absolute Immunity to Abjuration (I think). This will protect you from status inflicting spells, offensive spells like finger of death and fireball, and Imprisonment. Well, that's my 2 cents.

The most important thing to remember is that for the Demilich in Watcher's Keep, you do NOT need to send in your whole party against him. If you can make just 1 person immune to Imprisonment for a decent length of time (the spells Shield of the Archons and Spell Trap will protect you for about 5 seconds) and give that person a +4 or better weapon, the Demi is toast.

This Demilich is immune to insta-kills, as Vedran pointed out. The MoD+2 will indeed kill the dude, but only through sheer loss of hitpoints. (The MoD+1 strikes as a +3 weapon, the MoD+2 as a +5 weapon.)

I don't know what walkthough you're using, Gangrell, but whatever it is, throw it away.

(Or some type of weapon, can't remember everything [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

I put Minsc into his berserker rage and then sent him in to fight that Lich with the Runehammer in one hand and Crom Faeyr in the other. The Lich was dead in less than 10 seconds.

You know... I really wish I can get confirmation on whether Minsc's Berserker Enrage really grants immunity to Imprisonment or not. I have been receiving so many conflicting opinions.

No, it does not. Infinity Explorer credibility.

I second this statement! I think I might be responsible for one of the conflicting opinions since I explained this when you were making the kangaxx slaying tips website [img]smile.gif[/img] (along with the Berserkers inability to re-enrage when recovering from the last one).

Two interesting trivia facts about the Berserker's Enrage 15 damage:

First, and this is quite well known and certainly annoying -- the damage is doubled when playing on Insane. Ever had Korgan commit suicide a second after you won an exhausting battle against Firkraag?!

Second, a very non-trivial fact -- the damage type is piercing. Yes, this means that Hardiness and/or Easthaven and/or Armor or Faith and/or Ascension's bonus will all help. ;)

LOL! It's so dumb! I've noticed this in past games (namly with minsc, but I can relate to the berserker) [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 02-20-2003, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]

IIRC Saladrex drops Staff of the Ram. (not sure, it seems ages ago when I killed him )

I can confirm that Saladrex drops the Staff of Ram +4.

So you could gain 3 hit points when the berserk ends by wearing the Yellow Dragon Scales and using Hardiness + Defender of Easthaven? :D

Now, here's an interesting thought! Feel like testing?

actually all i did to kill the lich was sent in all my melees and casted dragons breath on him and there he goes [img]smile.gif[/img] he imprisoned 2 guys but after facing him first i went to get freedom scroll

Yep, he did indeed heal 3 HP's when the Enrage ended ;)

I may not have "Infinity Explorer credibility," but I know for a fact that I sent Minsc, under his Berserker Rage, in against this particular Demilich, and enjoyed perfect safety.

Although here's a thought: Perhaps the Demilich is scripted to not cast Imprisonment on targets that are immune, and it thinks that Minsc's Rage grants immunity. Who wants to do a test run with Minsc to see if the Demilich actually casts Imprisonment?

IF
See(NearestEnemyOf(Myself))
!StateCheck(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),STATE_BERSERK)
RandomNum(6,1)
Delay(3)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ForceSpell(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),DEMILICH_TRAP_SO UL)
END

You, you are a smart one!

From Good Guess and Empirical Verification comes Wisdom.

"Knowledge, used wisely, is the most powerful of tools."

/me raise hand

Question. Does this apply to Kangaxx too? If it does, I will have to correct the correction I was asked to make. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

But the quetion we must ask ourselves is -- does Minsc's bizzare enrage ability qualifies as STATE_BERSERK? ;) Don't be too quick to answer it. I'm not saying that it not -- but it's possible.

Kangaxx will trap souls of anyone he wants, he'll not check this.

I looked Minsc's berserk, and found no state-setting. Somebody should check.