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Has anyone ever started the prologue by attmpting to kill Gorion? I just tried it and he's one tough cookie. The weird thing is that, after he kills you (which is really fast), he starts taking all sorts of damage. I wonder if that is some code gone bad? Maybe it's picking up on the fight script that is called later?

So, has anyone killed him? Tethoril is really tough, too. He's magic resistant.

What about the Chanting Alondos (they are the godfathers of religious rap)? Has anyone fought them?

[ 03-11-2002: Message edited by: Katherine ]</p>

After I almost finished the game (got stuck due to bug) I restarted and killed Gorion. However it was very tough. Doesn't really get you anywhere but the wrath of the entire village.

I killed gorion somewhat easily, just make sure you have the staff odf monster summoning. Then send them al in front. Get your person just in sight of gorion and he will start to pummle to little animals with his lighting bolt, he will take alot damage cause most ofthem just bounce back towards him. In my single player game where i did it he just fell dead, nothing special.
In my multiplayer game, I managed to give him the final blow and you will get 4000XP...... so....

Tethoril is unbeateble. I tried in mulitplayer with a party self created. all about the 7-8 level. Wand of monster summoning and all that shit. MAgic does not hurt him, and with normal blow (critical hits aswell) he takes 0 damage. So he cant be killed.

i could never kill gorion no matter what i tried and if you look at the magic arrow spell he fires at sarevok he could only be around a max of level 4 but he still kills me fast i just dont know what hit me and im a level 7 mage 6 cleric with all the spells possibe apart from iniate spells

I have killed Gorion with a hacked character. The amulet of full globe of invulnerability is the item that kept me alive, I'm sure. I can't remember now what spells I used against him, but I think it may have been Cone of Cold that finally did him in. I don't think I've tried taking on Tethtoril but I've heard he is even tougher.

I've always wanted to try kicking off an evil campaign by having my character use a Flesh to Stone scroll on Gorion and leave his statue on the steps of the the library as a monument to my character's supreme evilness. Bwhahaha.

You could roleplay it so that one of Sarevok's operatives infiltrates Candlekeep and 'turns' you with the promises of great power, etc. He gives your lowly 0 XP character the items required to knock Gorion off. I've found that if you cast the Flesh to Stone scroll at Gorion before he turns hostile it has no effect. So you would need a potion of absorption to survive his lighting bolts. Maybe a dispell magic scroll to soften his resistance up before turning him to stone.

I'm currently soloing an evil cleric-mage through the game and I would have loved to have tried that but I wanted to solo through the game at least once cleanly.

Now I have to open a game now and see what is required to make Gorion a statue. ;)

[ 03-11-2002: Message edited by: Lemernis ]</p>

<font color="cyan">Without cheating, in the prologue, I very much doubt it is possible to beat Gorion.

Or is it? Forgive me if Ive misread above posts.</font>

Yes, without a doubt your puny 0 XP character will die going up against a level 15 (somewhere around there level-wise--he's on par with Sarevok) mage who has something on the order of 290 HP.

I've been playing around with this today for the last couple hours using the premise that a magic wielding main character has been given potions and scrolls (only, no magic weapons) to kill both Gorion and Tethtoril.

You can cast Dispell on Gorion (don't know if this actually has any effect), blind Gorion, attack him and turn him hostile. With Gorion blinded you can at least avoid instant death from his lightning spell. But that is as far as I've gotten. I've used a protection from magic scroll and a potion of absorption, but I'm at a stalemate. I notice that when I use cloudkill and sic skellies on Gorion he survives it; and then when I cast lightning on him my magic protection fails and he kills me--however then I see heavy damage appearing for Gorion rolling by on the dialogue bar just before I die.

Billy Yank, didn't you once provide the code for the flesh to stone scroll? (Ack, or was it TW? if it was sorry to bother you, heh) I think that thread is gone, as it was was before everyone had to reregister at the teambg.net forums in the last month or so. Couldja please provide it again?

[ 03-11-2002: Message edited by: Lemernis ]</p>

Gorion Isn't really that hard I just cast Monster summoning(You need to get either Hobgoblins or Kobolds). Then attack him with everyone and he wont be able to get is spell off as it will keep being disrupted by the archers.

There isn't much point in doing this though you dont get any decent Items or EXP and you can no longer progress with the game as Gorion is the one who takes you out of the city.

After killing Gorion it is possible to leave Candlekeep via the MoveToArea cheat. You can then start the game without the Sarevok ambush to no apparent ill effect re: the stability of game. I did this, lept to a few maps, played a bit, everything seemed fine. I thne used the 'proceed to chapter' cheat that you gets back into Candlekeep in chapter 6, and again encountered no problem (the story proceeds as if he ambush had happened). I mean, it may be that if you play the game all the way through, killing Gorion and avoiding the Sarevok ambush will indeed screw up the game, but I do want to try it. It's just a fun variation on playing evil.

I will try the suggestion of using arrow firing monsters. I noticed that with skeletons and worgs he absolutely demolishes you and your conjured minions. Tethtoril, whom you have to deal with also, is tougher because he apparently has full magic reistance. Although come to think of it, if Tethtoril is still there and hostile when you return to Candlekeep that would really spice up chapter 6! So you could wax Gorion, turn invisible via a potion and split (avoiding Tethtoril). Then hopefully you have a whopper of battle ahead of you when you return. That might be an interesting way to play the game.

Hmm--all the times I tried to kill the Big G I failed miserably, not because of my weak character(s) but because his Lightning Bolt isn't a real Lightning Bolt--He cannot be disrupted while casting it (even if he takes damage, he still gets the spell off anyway), it's always aimed right at the PC, it WILL always hit the PC (even if you're around a corner, in Winthrop's Inn, or teleported to the other side of Faerun), and it WILL always kill you, no matter what your magic or lightning resistance might be. It's not a spell--it's a plot device, and I was completely unable to get around it. As far as I know, the only way to kill Gorion and live (in my version of the game, anyway) is to kill him before he gets the 'spell' off, which doesn't leave you much time. One guy did it by beating the game with a Fighter, then re-importing the character 6 times in Multiplayer. Chop, chop.

Tethtoril, in the Prologue, is invincible. He has 100% Magic Resist, an unknown number of HP, and does not take damage. His Call Lightning will fry your butt, too.

Tethtoril, in Chapter 6, is NOT invincible--he's not even a threat. He has over 1000 HP, and his AC is around -20, but you can still Critical Hit him--it just takes half an hour. He casts a few spells at--nothing dangerous--but spends most of his time trying to punch you. Go make dinner and come back, he'll be dead. Ulraunt is exactly the same, you just get a little more EXP.

The Chanters in the garden are Level 2 Mages with no memorized spells. Oh, dear.

Even if Tethtoril (and everyone else in Candlekeep) was hostile when you left to start Chapter 1, they'll be back to Neutral in Chap. 6. That's because it's an entirely different file, to the computer: The Prologue Candlekeep is on your hard drive, the Chap. 6 Candlekeep is on Disc 2. No matter who you kill during the Prologue, they'll be back in Chap. 6.

Well. SixOfSpades, most what you said is true. Only not the part about gorion.

2 easy ways to kill him. First one, in single player, make sure you have some monster summoning spells ready, or the staff would be better. Summon some monsters and kill some random people. You do this till everyone in candlekeep will turn hostile(If you dont do this the first bolt will kill you). Now, you go towards gorion with your monsters. Summone some more, and if aviable. protection from fear. Let your beasties walk in front. Now the lighting bolt that he vast will not go to main PC, but to the first in his line of sight. Now, just summon newmonsters when your old ones are dead. He will kill himself, cuase the lighting bolts bounce on walls and stuff. If not, dont waste your spells on him, then your just dead.

Second way, multiplayer, much more easier then the single player option, but again. you need alot of monsters. Just like before, let them attack first, then add your fighters or paladins bythem. Now he will first every beast he saw, and then you. So you have to kill him before that. Let your rangers (if any) pummle him with arrows. Your thief can try to backstab him. Cleric and driuds are only usefull for aiding spells and monster summoning. Mages are useless (wand of monster summoning could be usefull though)
Every bolt he fires at your friends are also instant deaths, if I recall correctly.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
He cannot be disrupted while casting it <hr></blockquote>

summoned monsters(archer types) can disrupt him very easily.

<font color="cyan">But whats the point?

You're all cheating to do this anyway....If you did it in SP no cheats, then yeah, id be impressed...but... [img]graemlins/bricks.gif[/img] </font>

Mainly, I'm just curious. For me it's just an experiment to see how the game runs if you start it that way. Just another variation on how to play the game to try to keep things interesting.

<font color="cyan">I've never tried.

But this is my guess:

You cant get out of Candlekeep, as Gorion is dead.

If you use the move area cheat, the game would run as normal.</font>

So, I killed Gorion- very anticlimactic. I had been importing a .chr file over and over to test it out before I convert it to a .cre file to make an NPC and got bored and decided to try this. It really wasn't too exciting, all things considered, though.

And, Lavinda? Chill out a little on the 'cheating' thing. This is just experimentation. Obviously, the game doesn't continue correctly unless you then use the QA console to move to the next area. And, the state file doesn't remember that you killed Gorion or any other actions such as that while in the prologue. It's just a matter of people being bored and messing around. I don't think people are 'bragging' about this- it is sharing information about a curiosity.

While using Near Infinity, I noted that Thethoril has an AC of -20 and his save vs. numbers are all 1 and his resistence is listed as 100% for everything. His lore, however, is only 10! I think he's just a figure head. Where's the real Thethoril? Maybe he was kidnapped.

[ 03-13-2002: Message edited by: Katherine ]</p>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Katherine:
[QBAnd, Lavinda?[/QB]<hr></blockquote><font color="cyan">Was the "thar" to hard to remember?</font>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Katherine:
[QBAnd, Lavinda?[/QB]<hr></blockquote><font color="cyan">Was the "thar" to hard to remember?</font>

Hmmm.....I must indeed have a different version. Then again, I never did really play with using summons on him, even in my Evil game. Oh, well....