how do you beat him? without cheating or using the trainer and using the items you have when you play ToB. is it possible? i have a 22 level Sorceror with all the killer spells - well i have been told they are good spells that i have chosen. I have also found out you can't solo unless your a fighter/thief in ToB thats what i have noticed. Its real difficult to not have a party when the game was designed for primarily parties with varying skill. You can't disarm a trap or open a locked door if your a fighter or anything in that class. ok im rambling now, i'll stop.

party members:
Saervok
myself
imoen
Vicona - i chose her because despite what the rating she got in the ToB walkthru booklet. She is an Awesome Cleric [img]smile.gif[/img] and i like her.

SPOILER

It wasn't a problem for me, but just do normal tactics, send you tanks to beat on him, and cast spells at him ,time stop won't work, I know so don't use that one if you have it.

Actually, by this point, just about every single class has been used to solo SoA-ToB already, including the much disliked Beastmaster and Wizard Slayer.

As for Demogorgan, you must know that he is immuned to level 1-6 spells except for Breach and spells that create magical weapons. What this means is that he is immuned to Lower Resistance, but he is not immuned to Pierce Shield, so use 3-4 Pierce Shields to lower his magical resistances before using any offensive spells. 6-7 Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wiltings will kill him rather efficiently.

Use Planetars/Devas, Sarevok, Skeleton Warriors, Mordenkainen's Swords, etc... to distract Demogorgan and his demons. Use Sarevok to get rid of the demon first, before concentrating on Demogorgan. He should be wearing the Ring of Gaxx to prevent getting poisoned by the Maraliths.

Summon a lot, DON'T CAST TIME STOP. Try sending your summons far away from the party, so that you can bash him with ranged weapons while using your summons as cannon fodder. I find that having one person (in your case prolly Sarevok) bash on him as much as possible, have him shift (via cloak of sewers (LOVE THAT ITEM :D )) into a troll, regenerate and then repeat. Also works with regenerative items. I like using weapons more than spells against him, but you should take a magical approach (after all, seems like you have a little ;) bit of magic power.)

I had hugh problems with all the demons he summoned. Always 8 demons attacking me and evil spells in my face as well.

Price of Darkness I thought this was a thread for Ozzy. Any hoo sounds like some good advice. I still need to go back and give him a beating with My Barbarian how will I ever beat him????

Good luck with Ozzy well you know what I mean.

i felt forlorn with his multiple gates as well...
simply keep the original two he summons around {the four armed 'gals'} and he doesn't think to start gating in the 4 at a time glabrezu...
make sure you are protected from poison, have summons for distraction/fodder as others have suggested, and after piercing his shield, magic missiles take care of his innate stoneskins very well {and breaches of course; for his friends as well who do the same}
the answerer is a great sword to be weilding in the battle {two handed with runehammer especially..} as it makes him vulnerable to magic assault
the stoneskins are your worst enemy in this fray i think...
get through those and you can smash him screenshakily

ahh yes the demigorgon, it's a mysteeeeereeeeous 1/2 metal 1/2-bull-like creature that breathes 1/2 petrifying gas

Two things. ;)

1) Demogorgan is immuned to Magic Missiles.
2) Magic Missiles do not affect Stoneskins.

No, that's my brother [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Demogorgon the Prince of the Tanar'ri is really hard. i found him tougher than irenicus. here's my two cents:
Since you obviously went through WK you will have found seveal spell-protection-removal wands. use these on the marileths. I suggest Mord's swords with chaotic commands on them. I also suggest a fast-rate archer to keep the stoneskin down-Imoen may have the Gesen short bow. use her and an improved haste enchantment. Once you have removed the spell protections on the marileths, tanks and mord's swords can deal with them while you can uise the wands on demogorgon at this point. I would get rid of as many of his sidekicks as possible before concentrating on him.

There is a cheap cheesy tactic you can do, (not that I've ever used it...) you know how you can hit the "space" bar? to pause the game? Repeatedly bash it, and you'll managed to hit the thing, and its attacks (most of them) will be paused..and it wont be able to hit you. This tactic sucks. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I personally recordment.. running ;) retreat to the staircases, both of them, 3 memembers on each side, and use the bottle necking tactic ;) summon creatures and use 2 fighters to hole up the gap, while casting spells (storm of vengence is good for taking down cronnies imho.) And use ranged weapons too. Equip ur clerics/mages with slings everyone else with bows (except the fighters)... then shoot. when you feel confidence enough, break the bottle neck, and charge him from both sides at once, if you've done it right, hes likely to be wounded serverly, and you shouldnt loose anyone...

Didn't have any mord's swords.. I found it to be a weak spell. My mage is Sorceror is more of a Evocation/Alteration/Necromancy/ caster (death magic). I summoned devas/planetars/and skeletons for cannon fodder and used spellstrike, incendiary cloud like 5 times and horrid wilting 3 times on the whole bunch I had imoen cast Mass Invisibility/non detection on vickie myself and herself. I cast Time stop just to take out the mereliths myself I Love the +6 staff of the RAM.. great weapon for a mage. Had to cast time stop 2 times to kill all the mereliths. Cuz Saeravok died. I had no rings of gaxx/ I did however have a ring of anti-venom but I was wearing it.. (It wouldn't allow me to carry them over into ToB), I had to start from scratch for weapons and armour, to say the least it was tough. I thought it was kind of funny now that i was immune to all wepons +1 and under and going thru ToB everyone had a +2 or better weapon, I found that cheesy.

I did few spell strikes/Pierce Shields on the old boy and a few greater malisons and I managed to polymorph him as well as feeblemind him. after that it was rather simple. I just started playing with him after that. I tried to Imprison him as well but it didn't take him. Even tho it said he was "imprisoned" thought that was kind of cheap. I also managed to drain 4 levels using energy drain.

Kind of like the Djinn in Uth Natha in the underdark where the drow would cast spells at it and heal it just to keep it alive and torture it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Mordenkainen's Swords are immuned to physical damage, elemental damage, psionics, strike as a +4 enchanted weapon and generally kick butt.

It can only be hurt by Magic Damage, Petrification/Death Spells and is affected by Arcane Charm or Confusion. If its' maximum duration of 2 minutes had been increased to hours, it would replace the Skeleton Warrior as my favourite summon.

Take heed! MSwords are not weak! It can actually tank things like Demogorgan better than a Planetar... ...

If you are talking about Demogorgan, I am going to have to call your bluff. ;) Refer to my first post in this thread to find out why. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

PS: Greater Malison does not stack. Not that it can affect Demogorgan in the first place anyway... ...

Plus, Dundee, I saw Mord's swords doing 20+ damage to Demo while even Minsc with Improved Gram was only doing 15. They are my favourite spells. I prefer them to skeletons, actually, never mind the shorter duration :D

Fun tip: Haste them.

It slices, it dices, it's Gin- er... Mordenkainen's Swords! Never rusts or your money back! Order now and get a 20 round guarantee!

LOL! I did the full kit'n'caboodle, hasted, blessed, chanted, resist fear (well, they were near my party, they got the bonus) and ever protection from evil (I wasn't going to take any chances...)chaotic commands, aid, improved haste (what can i say? ALL of my mages had amulets of power and robe of vecnas-I couldn't be bothered to so for slow casting time) and they walked through everything. They only needed a little help-a lower mr here, a pierce shield here, you know the drill :D

*cough* *cough*

All your Mages have the Amulet of Power and Robe of Vecna? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

*tsk* *tsk*

Yeah-I've become addicted to high-speed casting :D

Sorry, I thought it had worked because i cast it on him then shortly aftwards i cast Polymorph Other and he changed into a Squirrel.

You changed DEMOGORGON into a SQUIRREL?
Man, that's BAD from a role-playing prospective-I mean, he's a demon Prince, they don't GET much tougher and BLAM! He's changed into a SQUIRREL?

Maybe it's possible with the unimproved demogorgon ?

'Cause as Dundee said,.. (improved by patch) Demogorgon is immuned to all
lvl 1 - 5 spells, except breach. Greater Malison and Polymorph other are both below lvl 6.

IIRC, Demogorgan is not changed in the improved patch. They just gave him better scripts. Polymorph Other should not work on him, and it is immunity to spell level 1-6 if I am not mistaken.

Anybody care to take a look at the game code? ;)

i'm ppretty sure i was hitting him with lower level spells too...
time to reload and verify -
i imagine lowering his magic resistance has no bearing on his 'immunity'..?
dundee are you telling me i am just about to finish ToB and that magic missiles Don't take care of stoneskins?!...holy cow did i ever fool myself for a long time haha
...actually now that i'm lookin at it, stoneskins Are stripped from "physical magical attacks such as magic missile"..
now i'm confused

Magic Missiles do not remove Stoneskins, but they do bypass it and still injure the target. Magic Missiles deal Magic Damage, not Physical Damage.

The level 5 spell, Lower Resistance is ignored by Demogorgan. You have to use Pierce Shield if you want to lower his Magic Resistance effectively.

thanks :] that's a good clarification
so dispel magic is really the best way to remove stoneskins then..?
- my question regarding lowering his magic resistance applies to the answerer and its ability to lower a successful hits' mr;
though perhaps they are the same question if the sword's abilities are equivalent to the level of its potency...
i know i have them always after seven hits with my off-hand...
but not the prince..?

The Answerer should work. Breach is the best spell to remove Stoneskins, and is one of the few counterspells that work on Demogorgan.

mwhhahaha. I'll have to try that sometime ;) it has a ring to it which I think will appease my warped sadistic sardonic humor... (hey, I HATED that daemon [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) a squirrel? hahahaha. Thats toooo rare. From Daemon Prince to squirel... hmm I wonder if dominate would work on it [img]tongue.gif[/img] *snigger* "Hi Demi, enjoying life as my pet squirrel?" [img]tongue.gif[/img] lololol. That really made me laugh. Well done ;) Roleplaying Kat? its a perfect punishment for the beast. [img]tongue.gif[/img]