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Legolas The Magnificent 08-01-2002 08:21 AM

I usually stack 5 armors in my bag of plenty but what would be the all in one armour? what would be the best robe of mage?

Kaltia 08-01-2002 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by Legolas The Magnificent:
I usually stack 5 armors in my bag of plenty but what would be the all in one armour? what would be the best robe of mage?
best robe for mage-Robe of vecna.
best armour for defence-shurrupk's plate (-2 defence, +1 dex)
best armour for bard-asylerfund elven chai

Anything else you need?

Dundee Slaytern 08-01-2002 08:32 AM

The best Leather armour will be the White Dragon Scale, for Thieves, Barbarians and such.

King Crimson 08-01-2002 03:22 PM

The big metal unit propably -10 ac grants 22 str.

Sharuppak's plate isn't always the second best suit of armor, If you already have high dex than one extra point might not change anything and you'd better go for an armor which grants resistances or that nice armor you can buy in Amkethran which grants with immunity to backstabs.

Illumina Drathiran'ar 08-01-2002 04:50 PM

I'm going to have to place my vote on best all-around armor on the gilded elven chainmail. Its AC is either 0 or -1 which is very good, it is very light, it can be used by multiclassed mages and thieves without removing spellcasting and thievery abilities, grants immunity to all nonmagical weapons, and may or may not bestow magic resistance.. I forget.
Best mage robe is Robe of Vecna. Without question.
The most armors with lowest AC are the Armor of the Hart, the White Dragon Chain, and Shurrupk's Plate. All grant -2 AC.
Best leather armor is the Grandmaster's Armor, if I'm correct.. but I could be mistaken. The Shadow Dragon Scale is pretty good, too.

whacky 08-01-2002 05:08 PM

Well i gotta agree, if its possible get the Big Metal Unit. Its nice i think,or maybe im just hallucinatingdue to lack of sleep :D

Piestrider 08-02-2002 04:49 PM

I'd have to say for fighter type characters either Shuppurak's Plate, Red Dragon Scale, or White Dragon Scale. For multi classed mages It would be the Asynderfund Elven Chain Mail, and for Mages it would be the Robe of the Good Archmage (I can't get the Robe of Vecna).

Kaltia 08-02-2002 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
The best Leather armour will be the White Dragon Scale, for Thieves, Barbarians and such.
And archers [img]smile.gif[/img] no seriously the white dragon scale is the best for archers, it really is. mine has an ac of something like -9 now [img]smile.gif[/img]

Raznar 08-02-2002 05:38 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Enkuidu's full plate+3 the best?

And while I'm here I might aswell ask what the hell are the bronze pantaloons for? There are supposedly a gold and silver pair aswell but I never found any??

Illumina Drathiran'ar 08-02-2002 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Raznar:
And while I'm here I might aswell ask what the hell are the bronze pantaloons for? There are supposedly a gold and silver pair aswell but I never found any??
The Golden Pantaloons are in BG1. Silver Pantalets are in BG2.. Remember the Buried Man quest, and the kidnapped victim upstairs? If you go to get the ransom on her you get the SP's.
All three are components for the biggest Easter Egg ultimate item: The Big Metal Unit. Which is a disturbing name. Makes me think of all the lovely pickup lines my CN elf has used in bars all over the FR:
Hey baby, wanna see my Staff of Power?
Wanna go to my place and cast Mordy's Lubrication?
Don't worry, I've got Protection spells!
Let's go do Sune's Horizontal Dance of Love!
I'm hung like a Great Gold Dragon!

I'll be the first to admit he's not the most charismatic guy around...

Jim 08-03-2002 11:37 AM

The Gorgon Plate +4 from SoA grants the best slashing resistance of any armour in SoA or ToB. -1 base AC and a slashing AC modifier of -6 gives -7 AC against slashing weapons. Take a suite of full plate +3 - base AC -2, -4 modifier against slashing = -6 versus slashing weapons i.e. still can't beat it and thats for full plate versus plate!

I'll agree that the white dragon scale is the best for thieves and archers, with the best tank armour probably being Enkuidus full plate.

Dundee Slaytern 08-03-2002 11:54 AM

Welcome back, Jim. Out of curiosity, how does the Gorgan Plate fare against a Full Plate Mail +3 when it comes to piercing and crushing weapons? Just to see whether it is worth it to earn one bonus point of AC against slashing weapons.

Illumina Drathiran'ar has mentioned a noteworthy armour, the Grandmaster Armour. With this armour on, you can replace your Boots of Speed with something else, like the Boots of Avoidance, or the Gargoyle Boots. It is highly suitable for backline party members who rarely get hit, like Archers.

Jim 08-03-2002 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
Welcome back, Jim.

Thanks! Good to see you. Been around for a few days now, mostly been playing neverwinter nights (oh dear another good rpg and then there's IW2 in august and i'm supposed to be finding a job) but since I finished uni i've lost my lovely 512k/bit cable connection, so unfortunately I've sunk to the low levels of standard dial up :( Must get broadband again when I can afford it!

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Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
Out of curiosity, how does the Gorgan Plate fare against a Full Plate Mail +3 when it comes to piercing and crushing weapons? Just to see whether it is worth it to earn one bonus point of AC against slashing weapons.

Well, unfortunately its classed as plate mail for all other AC modifiers (I'm a bit rusty on this but I think that plate mail only has a slashing modifier, so 0 for piercing and crushing), so full plate is superior in those respects, it's just interesting that this armour found in SoA has the best shashing resistance out of any of the other armours (except drow +5 of course), and with its elemental resistances, its useful against the hordes of fire giants in ToB (who mainly use slashing weapons in the form of axes). So, its not the best armour overall, but is useful to keep within reach right through the game.

deverece 08-04-2002 02:54 AM

By the way, its probably a bug, but Cernd who supposedly can't wear armor can wear the Elven chain +5 made by the imp, making him a lot more powerful.

SixOfSpades 08-05-2002 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by deverece:
By the way, its probably a bug, but Cernd who supposedly can't wear armor can wear the Elven chain +5 made by the imp, making him a lot more powerful.
Yep, that's a big-ass bug. It might be remedied in the BaldurDash Fixpacks, though....have you downloaded the ToB one?

I, and several other people I've heard voice their opinions on this board, share the view that the Shapeshifter kit is worthless, just about as bad as the Beast Master. You can either be a naked Druid casting spells, or a middling-poor Wolfwere that can't cast spells. What IF: We alter the Shapeshifter kit so that the Druid has permanent Barkskin while in Human form. This would give them a base AC bonus, and the bonus would increase by 1 every 4 levels, something like a cross between a Kensai and a watered-down Monk. Your thoughts?

Illumina Drathiran'ar 08-05-2002 04:38 PM

Would it stack with the dex bonus, or just use whichever one grants the best AC?

SixOfSpades 08-05-2002 07:40 PM

It would stack, just as the Monk's AC and Dex stack. Compensation for not having armor.

Or, as an alternate route, how about a whole new kit?
WILD MAN
Advantages:
40% Resistance to all elemental damage (Fire, Cold, Electricity, Acid, Poison)
Wolfwere Familiar (Wolfweres regenerate, right?)
Permanent Barkskin
Can place up to 2 stars in any allowed weapon, 3 in Staff
Disadvantages:
-8 to INT
Cannot wear armor
Cannot wear Boots (must maintain close contact with Nature)
Cannot use Daggers or Scimitars, all other Druid weapons OK

Illumina Drathiran'ar 08-05-2002 08:22 PM

Hm.. It's balanced, but each arm of the scale has too much piled on. You can have a pound of salt on each tray of a scale and it will be balanced, or you can have three grains on each.. either way it's balanced. But I think you have several pounds of salt on each tray.. It's too much. But that's just my opinion.

Lord Lothar 08-07-2002 05:21 PM

White Dragon Scale Rocks!
My Swashbuckler had around -15 with it! Add the Helm of Balduran and Tzu-Zan's Bracer's and it was -17!!!
Swashbucklers are the best!


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