Well im back from playing SoA, beating it with flying colors. just one question. im always a chaotic good character, but when i was in saradush the lathander priest wouldnt help me because she said i was an 'evil woman'..so upn checking my records i discovered that i was neutral evil...mut have made a few wrong dicisions in hell in SoA(tellng sarevok to I WILL KILL YOU! DIE! DIE!,a and ,maybe killing the genie instead of giving him the bad ass sword... so is there anyway to fix this? cause i dont want to be evil...

<font color="gold">Not without cheating.
But if you're willing to cheat, then you can easily get back to Chaotic Good with Shadowkeeper.</font>


see ya!

<font color = lightgreen>Try loading ShadowKeeper and fixing your alignment there.

Alternatively, you could CLUA create "helm02", the Helm of Opposite Alignment. Unfortunately, this would set you to Neutral Good; close, but not exactly Chaotic Good.</font>

ya i alreayd tried to do that with shadow keeper and it wouldnt load the game because i dont have version 2.0

Why do people always keep the sword? If you don't want to be evil, then DON'T ACT IN A SELFISH WAY!!

It really get on my nerve, every few days we see someone come in and say: "HUH?! Why am I evil? Could it be because I killed that innocent genie instead of giving him his sword?"

I hope you will be stuck with your aligment. That should teach you to act like you should.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Luvian:
Why do people always keep the sword? If you don't want to be evil, then DON'T ACT IN A SELFISH WAY!!

It really get on my nerve, every few days we see someone come in and say: "HUH?! Why am I evil? Could it be because I killed that innocent genie instead of giving him his sword?"

I hope you will be stuck with your aligment. That should teach you to act like you should.<hr></blockquote>


You should calm down, he was only asking a question, dont give yourself a heart attack. Anyway what the other people said was right, anyway I think you should go back and do it again but make better choices, when it comes down to it there are far better weapons than blackrazor in ToB anyway.

It's annoying that "freeing" the djinn one way will make you evil ... I think it would me far more evil to condemn the bugger to an eternity in Hell. That ought to be the evil option: take the Tear, leave the djinn to suffer.

In the Underdark, it's specifically good to kill the Djinn. So I agree that the Hell-test is confusing.

-- Nifft

yeah i don't see what's so wrong with killing the dijin. he just goes back to his plane. oh well. and isn't it only for evil people? I mean i would figure that people in a good party wouldn't have an evil swordsman (there aren't any in the game...) so why would they keep it?

<font color = lightgreen>What is also strange is that if you drop the sword and kill the djinn (or kill him and then drop the sword, the point being that you don't keep it) then the game assumes that you are being selfish, hence evil.

If one selfish act makes you evil then we are all in serious trouble! [img]tongue.gif[/img] : Oh, well, it's only a game....</font>

Well, being selfish in not letting your little brother taste your candy doesn't make you evil.
Though, I do think killing a poor, trapped soul instead of just giving him something you haven't much need of is selfish in an evil way.

Excuse me for wanting to keep the sword, Luvian. Even though im a good character, in real life i could care less about what happens to the genie. sure there are better swords, but i happen to like this one. so if you all would get off my back a moment(btw jebidas, im a she, not a he), i got the info i need, thanks a lot

Id just like to see stats for the sword!! I had it but was playing good so I didnt look at it.

I went into shadow keeper and found the stats of the sword. I think this is the good sword, but I am not sure, I never really looked at the sword, since I have always played good so far.

Blackrazor, Long Sword +3
This sword radiates evil like a sour odor, and the owner never knows if he wields the weapon, or if it wields him. In addition to its combat abilities, Blackrazor slowly regenerates its owner with the drained strength of opponents.

STATISTICS:

Equipped Ability :
Regeneration: 1 hp every 5 seconds
Immunity to Charm and Fear
With every hit it has a 15% chance of draining 4 levels, healing the wielder by 20 hit points, and hasting him for 20 seconds as well as increasing his strength by 3 points for 20 seconds.
THAC0: +3 bonus
Damage: 1D8 +3
Damage type: slashing
Weight: 4
Speed Factor: 2
Proficiency Type: Long Sword
Type: 1-handed
Requires: 6 Strength
Not Usable By:
Druid
Cleric
Mage

I don't care if someone want to keep the sword or not, what I hate is people who don't want to accept the consequence of their actions. You want the sword? Fine, but take the penalty that come with it, otherwise you are just acting like a little kid that want everything and don't want to make compromise. This is something I put lot of importance into, and I can't stand people who won't respect that.

You gotta chill Mr. Luvian. Dont be selfish when you are good. You have to turn down many good weapons to stay good allingment. If you are confronted by an evil thing, you can kill it, unless it is an oddball, like Drizzt. An evil creature, but with good morals. Genies are not evil. Unless it is obvious that they are. And you will have to loose one of your dexterity to stay good when you are confronted by the Selfish Deamon.

Heh.. I think you all should get off the back of Luvian. I do agree with him and I like a person who goes straight to the point and doesn't speak "round" words.

Regarding the "test" - the point there is not whether you kill the genie or not. The point there is whether you want to keep the sword or will give it away. Pretty easy: give away = good, keep = bad, greedy. You chose the last one, now live with the concequences. It's as easy as that. There is no "why this and that" later, you knew the result, you made the choice, now live with it. Use SK and change the alignment if you wish. Doesn't change the fact that you would thwack someone else lateron, just to keep some other "good item".

They have a point, LadyBlue03. After all, you go into something called the 'Test of Greed' or the 'Test of Wrath' being greedy/angry, you gotta expect repurcussions. Regardless of what you want your alignment to be, you have leanings toward evil... your actions prove it.

People please. i only wanted to know if there was a way to get my aligment back up..not how i got it down...sorry if i, er, insulted anyones honor...ahem...i already knew why i was evil....sorry Luvian..made a wrong choice...but you dont have to yell at me to get the point through alright? im just a girl jeez...thanks for all your help people(shadow keeper didnt work btw). well im at school right now so i'll talk to ya'll in a few hours

I am not trying to flame you, just to say my opinion. I am like that, when I have something to say I say it like I think, even if it might make some people mad.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Luvian:
I don't care if someone want to keep the sword or not, what I hate is people who don't want to accept the consequence of their actions. You want the sword? Fine, but take the penalty that come with it, otherwise you are just acting like a little kid that want everything and don't want to make compromise. This is something I put lot of importance into, and I can't stand people who won't respect that.<hr></blockquote>

Dont get me wrong Luvian, i knew i was evil and i compromised, id just rather be good then evil...but u cant make any seriously evil choices in ToB, so it matters little to me now. The only thing that got me angry was calling me a little kid...if you had said that in person youd have recieved a slap across the face. But im not angry anymore. Plus i never said i didnt want to make the compromise...i was just confused thats all

You can actually stop your alingment from changing but it needs a thief in your party. You can always pickpocket the tear from the dijini in hell. Easy :)

You wanting to change your aligment back to good with an hack program is not acepting the consequence of your action.

And if you did slap me in real life I would just smile and ask for another.

well, im having the EXACT same problem. i started out as chaotic good, and now im lawful evil. wtf, i saved the guy from the selfish demon, gave the sword to the genie, etc. i didnt do anything evil as far as i can tell, and now im lawful evil. and yes, i tried shadowkeeper, but it just doesnt work. maybe ill just create an item that does it for me then. or ill just start a new character, cheat him to his current status, and say screw the 1000 or so kills on my record, ill just have to do it all over again, lol.

I don't think alignment matters much in ToA; to wit, my first time through was as an evil dualled fighter/druid (killed the genie in hell). Druid classes are supposed to be true neutral, but my PC suffered no loss of abilities. Even after that, I still played as a 'good' character. Didn't affect my game in the slightest.

PS - Using cheats (ie Shadowkeeper) would probably be considered an 'evil' act. It seems to me that being 'evil' is simply to be an amoral opportunist.

I don't understand... why can't you guys use shadowkeeper? It work just fine for me.

*sighs* Luvaian, ur only upsetting yourself. Piece of advice: if you say ur not trying to flame some one, then dont 'flame' them. I really dont see why your dragging this out. I didnt make this post to have a lecture on morality by you. Besides, its just a game...Dont make such a big deal about it...i already apologized for whatever i did. I still respect your words, but frankly, im losing my respect for you in general. Dont turn this into a negative thing...oh wait, you already did...

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Morgan_Corbesant:
well, im having the EXACT same problem. i started out as chaotic good, and now im lawful evil. wtf, i saved the guy from the selfish demon, gave the sword to the genie, etc. i didnt do anything evil as far as i can tell, and now im lawful evil. and yes, i tried shadowkeeper, but it just doesnt work. maybe ill just create an item that does it for me then. or ill just start a new character, cheat him to his current status, and say screw the 1000 or so kills on my record, ill just have to do it all over again, lol.<hr></blockquote>

Just a question... for the Trial of Pride, did you kill the Dragon? ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> You wanting to change your aligment back to good with an hack program is not acepting the consequence of your action. <hr></blockquote>

I am not sure why I posted that, just ignore it.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> And if you did slap me in real life I would just smile and ask for another. <hr></blockquote>

As for that part, it was not a flame, I was just stating what I would do if someone slaped me. It does not have to be you.

I will ask again: What is the problem with ShadowKeeper? Why can't some people use it?

If someone would slap me in real-life one one cheeck, I'd slap them back on their both cheeks, kick their b*** and also their dog. Don't believe in all this "turn another cheek" thingie Lady Blue. It doesn't work. It's a cruel world out there, and Hammurab's laws work only (tooth for tooth, eye for an eye) :D

Now, regarding this issue - no one is flaming you or slapping you or something. They are just pointing out that the reason for alignment change is your own little evil act and that's it. Best way to deal with it is to live with it. When someone in my party dies, I don't reload. I resurect them, or waltz to temple if needed - after all, it happened in the legit way. Well, unless my main char dies, then I have no choice but to reload.. In any case, you did the act which changed your alignment, but still, why not to move on with it? Yeah some NPC might whine a bit more, but all in all it's all perfectly doable even with that alignment. You can move on and finish the game. I don't know though if it will give you some evil ending though, because of that.. Someone might know.

Just so you know, I would not ask for another slap because of that bible thing. I would do it for... other reason.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Luvian:
Just so you know, I would not ask for another slap because of that bible thing. I would do it for... other reason.<hr></blockquote>
Another reason? What reason would that be?
And Whailor, like i said, i know why im evil...and seeing as theres no legit way to get it back up, and shadow keeper(the new version)wont even load(to answer Luvians question), i see no problem with being evil. I still keep my reputation up as if i were still good. Especially since alignment matters diddly-squat in ToB. I would go back and change those decision i made in hell, but i too far in ToB already.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Whailor:
If someone would slap me in real-life one one cheeck, I'd slap them back on their both cheeks, kick their b*** and also their dog. Don't believe in all this "turn another cheek" thingie Lady Blue. It doesn't work. It's a cruel world out there, and Hammurab's laws work only (tooth for tooth, eye for an eye) :D <hr></blockquote>
You would slap a girl back?? and then kick her but?? and her poor doggies?? what kind of a man are you!? ;) . o BTW i wasnt trying to intimidate with the slap thing, i was just mad forbeing called a...ehem..little kid..

[ 02-27-2002: Message edited by: Lady Blue03 ]</p>

What version of shadowkeeper are you using? I use version 2.1.4 and it work just fine.

yes dled that version, and it said like "all files must be in the same location to run program" which they were. and also something about file names haing to look a certain way, which they did...so i dunno whats wrong w/ it

What files do you have in that folder? I have the following files:

Affects.uld
Aligment.uld
Class.uld
Gender.uld
Kits.uld
NumAttacks.uld
Profs.uld
Race.uld
RacialEnnemy.uld
ShadowKeeper.log
ShadowKeeper.exe
Readme.doc

im pretty sure those were all in there, id go check but its on the good computer downstairs,not this pos in my room, but thats what made me mad was the fact that all the files were there and it said they werent..

What OS are you using?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lady Blue03:
yes dled that version, and it said like "all files must be in the same location to run program" which they were. and also something about file names haing to look a certain way, which they did...so i dunno whats wrong w/ it<hr></blockquote>

Been following this discussion for a while now and I have seen the same error message appear on my computer as well. Now I'm running WinXP on a new computer with the new version of ShadowKeeper and it's working just fine. Don't know why it didn't work before and why it does now, but I'm glad it does. If you want you can send me your saved game by email and I'll gladly change it for you. I know that's not the perfect solution in as far that SK still won't work on your computer, but at least your alignment would be back up to the one you had.

You guys ever heard of disagreeing gracefully? I hope you don't act this way in real life whenever you disagree with someone. ;)

LadyBlue, you need the latest version of Shadowkeeper (v.2.1.4) to be able to use it with ToB. You can get it from:

www.mud-master.com/shadowkeeper

Earlier versions will give you an error message when compiling .uld files.

For the record, you will have to use Shadowcheater to change your alignment. Taking a sentient being's life to keep a sword is an evil act in SoA (and in RL as well, I would suspect). That's cool, if you want to keep the sword (and it's a cool sword, so I don't blame you for wanting it). It's your game! ;)

[ 02-28-2002: Message edited by: Memnoch ]</p>

Ok thanx you guys! ill try everything out. but im pretty sure the version of shadow keeper i had was 2.1.4 but ill dl it again just to make sure. If it doesnt work, then screw it. im gonna restart SoA with a paladin after i beat ToB(how ironic is that lol)

Have you told Shadowkeeper where your Installation Directory is? If you haven't, then click on the 'Settings' bar, select 'Installation Directory' and set it to your BG2 folder (something like C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BG2, usually). If you have, ignore this.