What are they? In WK they speak of them and I never played Torment.

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I beleive it refers to the continuing war between the Tanarri and Baatzu in the planes of hell. Tanarri are demons and are Chaotic Evil. Baatzu are devils and are Lawful evil. That's why devils are always trying to come up with contracts to sign and demons just tend to mindlessly spread carnage. Baatzu tend to be a bit tougher, but limited by their lawful nature. They WILL follow a lawful binding contract no matter what, but expect them to look for every loophole in their favor.

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It's a good thing that most of the fiends are preoccupied with another problem: the Blood War, a savage quest for annihilation that ravages the Lower Planes. It's supposed to be a war of tanar'ri against baatezu, but everyone and everything down there seems to be involved. And neither of those "sides" can be trusted, either. A baatezu'll turn stag on his brothers if it'll gain even a little power in the process, and the tanar'ri have always been at odds with each other. In between them all are the gehreleths and the yugoloths, eager to fight for the best-paying side. It's a war that's been going on as long as mortals have lived on the planes, and it's a war neither side has yet to win.

Nobody even knows what the exact goals of the war are. Genocide's the best guess - the tanar'ri and baatezu'll fight each other until there's none left. Why? What berk understands a fiend's mind, can figure out its depraved depths? Maybe the local powers are playing games and making them fight. Maybe they fight just because they want to. Nobody knows for sure how the war started, but a lot of folks figure the Lady of Pain had something to do with it. Some barmy philosophers claim that she's one of them, a fiend now turned stag against all her own kind. Maybe it's true, and maybe it ain't.

The only thing known for sure is that the Blood War's a grim blessing to Sigil. Every move on Sigil by one force triggers a reaction from the other side, since both groups are desperately afraid of the other controlling such power. Sure, it makes traveling the Lower Planes dangerous - especially the battlefields of Gehenna and Carceri - but it keeps the fiends busy.
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Just to Balance the Realms I suppose. Demogorgan is CE Tannari then?
Who leads the Bateezu?


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Here's how Baator is organized (there are nine planes in the Nine Hells):

Plane Ruler
1st (Avernus) Tiamat (the five-headed Chromatic Dragon)
2nd (Dis) Dispater
3rd (Minauros) Mammon
4th (Phlegethos) Belial
5th (Stygia) Geryon
6th (Malbolge) Moloch
7th (Maladomini) Baalzebul
8th (Caina) Mephistopheles
9th (Nessus) Asmodeus

The arch-devils are split into three opposing groups.

· Asmodeus commands the unswerving loyalty of Geryon and
Tiamat.
· Baalzebul has Moloch as a stated vassal and has been recruiting
Belial, whose rivalry with Geryon is unbounded.
· Mephistopheles seeks to appear as a force of reason and restraint;
he has Dispater and the ever-greedy Mammon on his side.

Both Baalzebul and Mephistopheles seek to dethrone Asmodeus as the
Overlord of the Hells, but cannot rely on the members of their faction,
who will only defy Asmodeus when victory is certain. Arch-devils will
quickly turn on their allies if they can gain additional realms and
responsibilities. Also, the faction that is not revolting, will side with
Asmodeus, hoping to gain the spoils when the revolt is defeated.

Asmodeus plays the factions against each other, never letting his
supporters know where they stand in his eyes.

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Baalzubu (sp?) is just Baal's full name.

Which one of those was the deva that got polymorphed into a slug by Azzy again ?
Oh and Memnoch can you post up that information about what Azomdeous' "true " form is ? I read it somewhere, and want to refresh my memory.

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Nope. Bhaal was a dead god of the Faerunian pantheon. Baalzebul is the Lord of the Flies, a very powerful arch-devil. Not the same entity.

You might be thinking of Bael, who is a duke of Hell (ranking just below the arch-devils).

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You mean this?

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ASMODEUS (Arch-Devil)
Large Outsider (Evil, Lawful)
Hit Dice: 66d8+990 (1287 hp)
Initiative: +12 (+8 Dex, +4 Improved Initiative)
Speed: 40 ft, fly 60 ft (good)
AC: 47 (-1 size, +8 Dex, +30 natural)
Attacks: Ruby Rod +86/+81/+76/+71/+66 melee; or slam +81 melee
Damage: Ruby Rod 1d10+21 and serious wounds; or slam 1d6+16
Face/Reach: 5 ft by 5 ft/10 ft
Special Attacks: Spell-like abilities, spells, psionics, chilling fear and
weakness gaze, Ruby Rod of Asmodeus, summon devils
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 40/+4, SR 33, regeneration 30,
devil qualities, see in darkness, telepathy, darkvision 60 ft
Saves: Fort +50, Ref +43, Will +48
Abilities: Str 42, Dex 26, Con 40, Int 34, Wis 36, Cha 42
Skills: Bluff +85, Concentration +84, Craft (weaponsmith) +67,
Diplomacy +85, Disguise +85, Gather Information +85, Heal +82, Hide
+47, Jump +66, Knowledge (arcana) +81, Knowledge (history) +81,
Knowledge (nobility) +81, Knowledge (planes) +81, Knowledge (religion)
+81, Listen +82, Move Silently +77, Search +81, Sense Motive +82, Scry
+81, Spellcraft +81, Spot +82
Feats: Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Casting, Combat Reflexes, Dodge,
Empower Spell, Extend Spell, Expertise, Great Cleave, Improved
Disarm, Improved Initiative, Improved Trip, Maximize Spell, Mobility,
Power Attack, Silent Spell, Sunder
Climate/Terrain: Any land and underground
Organization: Solitary or troupe (2-5 pit fiends)
Challenge Rating: 25
Treasure: Double standard
Alignment: Always lawful evil
Advancement: By character class

Asmodeus, the Overlord of Hell, rules the dukes and arch-devils by might
and wit. Of all the arch-devils he is the most cunning and artful. His
mighty palace rests upon the floor of the lowest rift in Nessus, Hell’s
ninth, and bottommost plane.

Asmodeus appears as a very handsome human standing about 13 feet
tall. His hair is black, as is his goatee; his eyes burn red. Small horns jut
from his forehead.

COMBAT
Asmodeus will attack first using his gaze weapon, then his spells and
spell-like abilities, followed up by his Ruby Rod. If things go against him
(not likely) or he becomes bored with combat, he will summon other
devils to finish the combat, while he attends to business elsewhere.

Spell-Like Abilities: At will—animate dead, blasphemy, charm
person, comprehend languages, daylight, desecrate, detect good, detect
magic, detect thoughts, dispel magic, fireball, geas/quest, hold person,
hold monster, ice storm, improved invisibility, magic circle against good,
major image, mass charm, polymorph self, produce flame, pyrotechnics,
raise dead, read magic, see invisible, suggestion, teleport without error
(self plus 50 pounds of objects only), unholy aura, unhallow, wall of fire,
wall of ice, and wish; 1/day—greater restoration, meteor swarm (any),shapechange and symbol (any). These abilities are as the spells cast by
a 20th-level sorcerer (save DC 26 + spell level).

Spells: Asmodeus casts arcane spells as a 20th-level sorcerer (save
DC 26 + spell level) and divine spells as a 20th-level cleric (save DC 23
+ spell level). He has access to the domains of Evil, Knowledge, Law,
and Strength.

Psionics (Sp): At will—astral projection, charm monster, deeper
darkness, detect evil, detect law, dimensional anchor, dispel good,
levitate, and protection from good. These abilities are as the spells cast
by a 20th-level sorcerer (save DC 26 + spell level).

Chilling Fear and Weakness Gaze (Su): 30 feet; Will save (DC 59) or
flee in fear for 2d6 rounds, and be affected by a ray of enfeeblement and
a slow spell as cast by a 20th-level sorcerer. If the save is successful,
that creature cannot be affected by Asmodeus’ gaze for one day.

Ruby Rod of Asmodeus: Asmodeus carries a glowing ruby rod that
has the following powers.
· Acts as a rod of absorption (Rods, rod of absorption, page
196 in the Dungeon Master’s Guide).
· Functions as a +5 greatclub.
· Any creature touched is affected as if by inflict serious
wounds as cast by a 20th-level cleric (3d8+15 points of
damage).
· Once per round, it may fire a ray of acid (24d4 points of acid
damage), frost (12d6 points of cold damage), or lightning
(24d8 points of electrical damage) to a range of 60 feet,
Reflex save (DC 20) for half. Each may be used a total of
three times per day.

Summon Devils (Sp): Three times per day Asmodeus can
automatically summon 1d2 cornugons or gelugons, or 1d4 pit fiends.

Regeneration (Ex): Asmodeus takes normal damage from holy and
blessed weapons of at least +4 enchantment.

Devil Qualities (Ex): Immune to fire and poison; cold and acid
resistance 20.

See in Darkness (Su): Can see perfectly in darkness of any kind,
even that created by deeper darkness spells.

Telepathy (Su): Asmodeus can communicate telepathically with any
creature within 100 feet that has a language.
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Soooo... ...

The horned dude we see in the ToB ending movie is Asmodeus?

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[This message has been edited by Dundee Slaytern (edited 09-08-2001).]

My word! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/noncgi/smiles/wow.gif Memnoch, where did you get that stat line for Asmodeus? How come his Challenge Rating is only 25 (given that Elminster's is 45)?

1287HP!!!??!!
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Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure."


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WOULD PEOPLE STOP SPOILING ME!?!?!?!?!! IS THERE ONE SHRED OF THE GAME THAT I CAN EXPLORE AND FIND OUT FOR MYSELF???!?!?!??! MOTHER***** S**T F**K ARRRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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Nazgul, calm down and let me handle this. There was a very minor spoil but nothing to justify this outburst of vitriol. Relax! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

Dundee, Nazgul has a point, though he shouldn't have sounded like a raving lunatic while making it. I know it was unintentional and very minor but it's the principle of the thing. Just be more careful, especially in a thread like this which is more for general consumption. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

To answer your question - I didn't notice, but I doubt it.

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[This message has been edited by Memnoch (edited 09-08-2001).]

From the 3rd Ed Book of Devils. There's a Book or Demons and a Book of Daemons too.

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Excellent. I didn't realise such a book had been released. My players won't know what's hit them.... http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...hterpurple.gif

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"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.

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Edited my post. :o With regards to the movie,

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As those who completed the game know, a movie sequence will occur and a narrator will blah, blah, blah, about how you became a legend, etc... ...

On one of the book's pages, there is a drawing of a horned dude( two small horns curved upwards from the forehead), slightly plump and has some sort of gem thingy on his forehead. My first impression was that it was Lucifer, does anybody have any idea who the guy is? The drawing appears twice.

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Sharpedge, try this link and check the Downloads section when it gets back up.



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Maybe you mean this guy?

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From the black stone city of Minauros (named after the plane), Mammon
rules Hell’s third plane. Mammon and Dispater are supposed allies and
purportedly support Mephistopheles, but neither has ever failed to obey
Asmodeus. Mammon’s realm is a boundless series of rifts with slime
streams along the bottoms. Hot ash sprays from volcanoes and cover
the plane.

Mammon is red-gold in color and his scaled wings gleam like rubies.
His form is bloated and soft looking. His head is bald and his eyes are
black with red pupils. A large toothy maw dominates his head. Small
horns jut from the top of his head.

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I doubt so, the one I saw was human shaped and had no wings. I dunno about the colour, because it's an ink drawing.

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i do not mean to sound(type?) like a raving lunatic, but i have been spoiled to a degree in ToB when the game is barely fun anymore. and i htink that they should think about that before posting something like that.http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

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Wow....all this info

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wow....all this spam


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so you respond to spam ...... with more spam ? WOW !

Hey mem, where do you get all these books from ? My local b&n, just got a book of the planes, and a few campaigns, but nothing like all these 3E sourcebooks. And I agree, why is Azzy's CR, only 25 ? Tiamat is like 45 or something, and she's obedient to him ????

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http://66.34.111.89/cc/challenge_ratings.html

Tiamat and Bahamut are CR 43

Asmodeus CR 44

Demogorgon, Fraz-Urb 'Luu, and Anthraxus are all CR 45 (I wonder how Elminster would fare against these bad boys?)

Thanks for that link from above Memnoch, I find all this info about the demons, daemons and devils very interesting.

Fair enough, mate. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif You could have got your point across in a much more civilized manner is all I'm saying. I feel your pain though, I had to read posts in this forum when I hadn't completed the game yet too. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

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yea, but im not really known for my steady moods right? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif



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That's why I'm here, mate - to keep you from getting bashed. Think of me as your bodyguard. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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