I'm about ready to visit watchers keep for exp, even though I'm high enough level to take him out (which apparnetly does not matter as he keeps stompin me)

Now thats funnyhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif I had the same problem! Gave up and decided to go level
up some at watchers keep! I'll be ready for that Pr*ck this timehttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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hehe, good luck. I'm in the keep right now, levelin'

Draconis is a tough bastard, http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif. I did watchers keep right after leaving Saradush, so I had some higher level skills. Basically I spread out, lower his magic resist, while my warriors and summoned creatures attacked him. Then pommelled him with my most devastating magic attacks. Hint: the bastard doesn't like fire. Dragon's breath worked great against him. Mind you I used a heck of alot of healing potions and magics, I lost a couple NPC, I got bloodied, but in the end the overgrown rat bastard fell. Ya baby... http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Yes, I think he was not easy...
Is is important to break his magic defense immediately after he becomes a dragon - in this case you can hurt him with weapons. Then fighters with thir special abilities can take care of him. In case you have not enough skilled fighters - this dragon is (was http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif) vulnerable to fire, so use fire spells, fire arrows, and summon Planetar, golem (and everything possible) just to keep him busy for a moment. And there is a spell that was useful too, but I can not remember it name - something like "Abi - Horrid... " - and with TimeStop, of course.
Just get rid of his defense at once http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif.
Good luck!

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Nice to hear some honest answers Shangoman&Tananda!http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif I agree havent beaten
him yet but I'm in Watchers keep now. It amazes me how some
people have said "aw he was easy" Bull sh*t!http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/noncgi/smiles/mad.gif If I were to muster up
some weapons and armor per CLUA Yea it would be easy for me to!! I know
how to use tactics and do a pretty good job at it.And he still kicked my
*ss all over the placehttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif I just don't buy that he was easy Bull s*it!
I like the battle the way it is don't get me wrong and will enjoy beating
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well imagine this i beet him basicly with my guys lvls all around 20
Pretty much had my mage use lower restance and then used all my magic missles the key was having all my fighters use whirlwind they hit him to often for him to even counter attack so that was the winning technique i used

http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif Now thats a civilzed answer Ratweed. And the way you said it is respected.
It's annoying as crap to post a question looking for answers only to see
someone basically saying you must be a moron "that battle was simple" I mean
come on! if it's that freaken easy why even play the game? And if someone wants
to add thier 2 cents in that arrogant fashion they can keep 'em! Thats just my
opinion. We all come here for answers or to help. I was just a bit annoyed at
some of the replies in my previouse post Mr.Draconis or something. Not a big
deal and I am not out to offend anyone with this reply.Just to get some people
to think a little before replying with thier arogance in fronthttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Well thanks a ton i think

you are welcome http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

Your from Pa to what part?

York! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif yea I noticed your from Pa tohttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif do you have msn instant messanger?

No just aol instant messanger

Oh! ok man nice to meet ya I dont think aol works with msn but you can try
downloading msn instant messanger it's free at msn.com I dont want to cludder
up the post with a conversation some may not like that on this forumhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
my e-mail is slackmaster_s@hotmail.com if ya ever want to e-mail me or shoot
the breeze! and if ya get instant messanger let me know and I'll give ya my
handle.ok? I'm a big hockey fan of Pittsburghhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif I also play!

Well im going to bed now but tommorow ok so night

Take it easy Ratweed Talk to ya later!

I beat Draconis the first time through, but I thought I was dead! I had only myself and Keldorn left, the mighty Boo was even dead! The last I had looked Draconis had healed himself and was uninjured, although I had worked him over (in Dragon form as well) earlier. I can only guess that my triple lightning bolt spell trigger richocheted and did the trick. By the way, my party was around level 28 and had already finished (most of) Watcher's keep.

I would definately not call this battle easy.

Honestly, the Dragon-Bhaalspawn was a LOT easier than his son who sat guard outside. I spent an entire afternoon trying to beat that SOB. Then, when I had him at Near Death, he cast heal on himself and was completely restored. The Dragon Bhaalspawn, however, just killed one of my guys while I pummeled it into submission.

One of the keys to beating dragons in general is tactical formation. Try to come at them from all sides. When your fighters are bunched, paticularly with the support troops right behind, a single wing buffet inevitably does everyone in. At least try and cast a high level summons behind them. I've found as long as you don't bunch your group, the dragon can't knock everyone ass over teakettle at once - it's relatively (Draconis is STILL one of the tougher fights) easy after that.

WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I GOT HIM! Had two fatalities and everyone is pretty beat up, but I got 'em. Geez that was tough. He kept curing himself!

God love breach and dispel magic.


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I found the main problem with Draconis was his first chain contingency(?). He would protect from magical weapons then cast Spell immunity: Abjuration so he was immune to breach... What I did after a few tries was just kill his first form with my main character (Cavalier +6 Holy Avenger Boots of Speed) who was immune to ALL of the first guys attacks, Horrid Wilting, his melee... Then as he changed form I ran away and sent a few summons at him to delay him as I waited for the Protection from Magical Weapons to wear off. Once that was done I summoned my planetars... and proceeded to lay some hurt down.

I found Draconis to be way harder than Abazigal, who went down first try.

Killing him in human form isn't that difficult - just dispel magic and lay-on-the-hurt.

Killing him in Dragon form CAN be easy. Use a spell sequencer of Pierce Magic, Lower Resistance, Lower Resistance, - and then wipe the floor w/him.

ok, you guys did hear about spells like Spellstrike, Breach, Lower Resistance, Summon Planetar, Summon Deva, Simulacrum, Abi-Dalzim's Horror Wilting... etc?
or perhaps Chain Contingency or Spell Trigger?
if you did, then what exactly is the problem?
now, you do have a mage in your company, don't you? at least one, preferably two (or three http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif.

personally, I found the most effective means of taking out the main-baddies is to simply overwhelm them with as many creatures as you can get. for this purpose, I found the following items to be very useful - Vhailor's Helm (allows one of your fighters to cast Simulacrum), Iron Horn of Valhalla (equip it to the same fighter that has Vhailor's Helm and you can summon two Berserker Warriors - they are weak, but it's the numbers that count) and Golem Manual (again, equip it to someone that casts Simulacrum - two golems under your control). have all your mages cast Simulacrum, also summon a deva/planetar and any Elementals you can get (Elemental Prince's come to mind http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif.
with such a force under your control, noone can give up a decent fight. for instance, in the FINAL final battle, I had two Iron Golems, two Berserker Warriors, an Earth Elemental Prince, a Planetar, two Keldorns, two Nalias, two Imoens and two of my main characters (dual-class fighter/mage). it lasted about ten seconds... maybe.

now this time around, I haven't gotten to Draconis yet (taken care of Yaga-Shura, now going through Watcher's Keep), but I plan on using some Chain Contingency/Spell Trigger combos... what I've planned out goes like this: Nalia and Imoen both prepare Chain Contingency and Spell Trigger in advance. with some careful management, the dragon should get hit with 3xLower Resistance, 3xAbi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting and 2x3xMagic Missile (another alternative, somewhat harder to pull of, would be 3xLower Resistance, 3xMagic Missile and 2x3xAbi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting) before he even realizes what's going on. that's about 300-400 damage (600+ for the second version)... InstaGib http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
or maybe I'll load the Chain Contingency up with Greater Malison spells and try the Quivering Palm thingie on him http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

I've got three powerful tanks in my party so they wailed on him with whirlwind after I brought his defences down. The wands of striking from watchers keep were great for this, one mage casts pierce magic then the other casts breach. These work straight away, bringing his defences down, then the fighters get stuck in and keep interrupting him before he can cast magic. Have lots of detection spells memorised so you can attack him before he heals. The humble level 1 spell glitterdust is perfect for this guy. I just got lucky and dealt out lots of damage really quickly before he could hurt me too bad. I also had my mages back a fair bit so if he buffeted all the fighters down, which was hard because they were all spread out, then he couldn't get to the mages straight away. Any spell that affects an area is good to damage him while he's invisible, comet being the best.

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[This message has been edited by Draggor (edited 07-20-2001).]

This may seem an odd thing to do after all these long tactics but how about,

Timestop.

Shapechange mindflayer.

Hit him once or twice and hes dead.

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Or Chain Contingency set to See Enemy: Lower Resist, Lower Resist, Greater Malison and then cast Finger of Death. It may take a couple of Finger of Deaths to make the roll, but when I did it with my Necromancer, he was dead in less than one round...

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"This place will be your tomb."

Make sure the dragon is always on top of your fighter with the lowest AC. Make sure you use whirlwind or greater whirlwind, and be sure to dispel his proctection from magical weapons. Sometimes dragons use haste and this is definitely not a good thing. (30 damage 5 attacks per round.) Breach will get rid of this as well. Have your priests ready to cast heal, when hp gets low. He will fall eventually. (Have some potions of superior healing ready in case the priest gets nailed.)

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