Hey guys,

I have played BG2 before but only as good guys. I have made the skin armour up before, but I can't remember exactly where you get the silver dragon blood from. I have a feeling, it is towards the end of the game in Sul........

I really want this armour, hehe, any help would be great.

The armour is lousy, the one you get from the Silver Dragon scales is much better [img]smile.gif[/img]

I believe the one you're looking for is

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Adalon, in the underdark (the one that disguised you to enter a certain city ;) )

I want it for the glory of having it more than anything else.

Hey, when I made myself evil, I did it for a reason. Just getting into the role, thanks for the help.

Lol, you should read the recent thread on here about the type of person who would wear human skin ;) No problem glad to help, and sorry, didn't mean to appear to be passing judgement there. I just think that armour is the biggest anti-climax ever to such an interesting quest :D

im having a big problem killing dragons can you help me some nifty weapons (not from tob or collectors editiohn or bonus cd)

1.You call that save bonus lousy??
2.There are no silver scales in BG2, only white ones in ToB

Smartass to the rescue! :D

killing dragons is not abiout weaponry, it's mostly about spell (and buff) selection.
Of course you need some nice weapons to actually hurt it, but regarding the location of that particular dragon this should not be a problem.
Just figure our the right mix of magic and some tanks keeping the mighty One busy while your mages tone him down a bit :D

Bah, there's always someone! [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And you're absolutely right about the Silver Dragon scales...there's blue and red and white and shadow but no Silver! The old memory is getting fuzzy!

But, +4 saves or no...by the time you're that far in the game and that powerful you'll have access to items that give equally desirable bonuses. Belt of Inertial Barrier, most high-level weapons, etc etc. But i'll modify my 'lousy' to call it 'not as useful as it should be.' [img]smile.gif[/img]

Also consider that your saves would be around 4 or below by that point I should think? Sub-zero in some cases, so IMO the save bonus can be forgone for other armour that gives an outright large AC bonus.

But each to his own :D I won't stop you walking down the street wearing human skin ;)

[ 02-23-2004, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

Could you tell us which dragon it is you're trying to kill? That would help us a little bit with advice.

Without spoiling, if it's large and red, then make sure you explore the rest of his domain first because there's some handy kit lying around just for the job.

any of them and adalon is a silver dragon frikraag is red and Ixxwhatever is shadow these are the only ones i have met so far that i can remember (silver dragons are good) red dragons are evil same with shadow. havent met any blue
i want to know mainly how to kill frikraag and could you answer my request from the other post on a way to get a thief the shortsword of backstabbing while retaining the stronghold and i havent the foggiest on how to kill a dragon with spells without him toasting my mage or cleric oh and white dragons are evil at least by d&d rules

[ 02-24-2004, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: gimli Iam the best ]

dude, they said it in the other thread.

if you are a thief with the stronghold, you DON'T get the damn sword in an unmodded game. period. so sorry charlie.

as for firkragg, just find a nice balance of melee and spellcasting and throw all your offense at him, there's really no trick, but breach is VERY helpful for your spellcasters

Well, for Firky the most important thing is protection from fire. Use Nalia's ring and

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the Dragonslayer sword and shield which you can find in Firkraag's dungeon - take the quest to retrieve the artifact for that woman, i forget the name.
They also give protection from fire, together with a prot fire scroll or spell you should be able to get resistance above 100 so fire damage will heal you. That's very handy for your main tank.

You can use summons to distract him if you have some decent ones, but make sure you position your tanks evenly around his base, so that if he wing buffets, only one of them is knocked back.

As for mages, 3 lower resistances, greater malison and a couple of chromatic orbs (if you're above level 13 or 14 i think - if not, use finger of death). You'll need breach to take down his stoneskins to give your fighters a better chance (i'm assuming that you're nowhere near a high enough level for remove magic to work on him), and as always, oils of speed or haste spells on your fighters is a great idea. If you don't mind cheese, then cast the priest spell 'magic resistance' on him, that will lower it a great deal (might be fixed in Baldurdash or similar though).

Cast resist fear when your party is in a group cuz dragons are scary, and cast chaotic commands which is also a good idea. Oh, and stay away from fire spells.

EDIT - i would guess that Jaheira summoning a fire elemental might also be a handy tank ;)

[ 02-24-2004, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

I wonder if it's possible to take the stronghold and then take out Renal? Is it like commoners in which if you slaughter everybody then the ones off-screen aren't hostile, or will that completely knacker the thieves guild quest and Aran Linvail?

IIRC, there are plenty of other short swords that are better anyway Gimli so I wouldn't worry too much

Steps in Dragon-killin':
1) Get a good look at the Dragon, if possible, so you can see what color it is. From this information, those who are wise in Dragon lore can identify that particular Dragon's Element.
2) Once you know the Dragon's Element, you should choose your Weapon and Spell selection to avoid that element, as you will be shooting yourself in the foot: Trying to harm a Red Dragon with Fire damage will do nothing but heal the Dragon, as that is its Element.
3) More importantly, you must ensure that your party members/summons (as many of them as possible) have very high resistances to that Element. Try to get your Tanks to have <u>more</u> than 100%, as many Dragons have the ability to cast "Lower X Resistance" on their enemies, to make them more vulnerable to their specific Element.
4) If the Dragon puts up any kind of combat protection (A Dragon immune to Magical Weapons is a very nasty thing), remember that Breach is your friend.
5) While your Warriors/summons are engaging the Dragon in combat, know that all Dragons have at least a decent amount of Magic Resistance.
6) After the Dragon's MR has been lowered at least 30% or so, weaken its Saving Throws.
7) If your Warriors have survived for this long, you are competent at beating Dragons though might alone--which is a very good skill to have, as most of the ToB Dragons cover themselves in Spell Protections that make it much more time-consuming to have your spellcasters attack them directly.
8) Now that the Dragon has poor Saves and little or no MR, it is wide open to offensive spells, and if your Warriors are still doing okay, you can beat the Dragon on that front, too, if you choose. You're home free.


Everything depends on when you attack Renal.
Attack him before you've chosen a side in Chapter 2: You'll piss off all the Shadow Thieves, you will lose the Thief Stronghold if you have it, and you'll have to side with Bodhi.
Attack him in Chapter 2 after siding with the Shadow Thieves and you will die instantly....and you'll lose your Stronghold, too.
Attack him in Chapter 2 after siding with Bodhi and he probably won't even be there at all. Oh, and siding with Bodhi means you'll lose the Thief Stronghold.
Attack him in Chapter 6 (after having worked for the Shadow Thieves) and you'll piss of all the Thieves and you'll lose your Stronghold.

Noticing a trend here? ;)

For some reason, my first time around with a thief, I got the SSoB from killing Mae'Var...This was about 3 years ago though.

ok im not against using a mod but i want the short sword of backstabbing from renal and get the stronghold anybody got that mod and second i have a 13/12 fighter cleric and i want to know how dispel magic would work considering like every spell i cast on him with my 13th level mage doesnt do anything and i wonder how you would go about killing a silver dragon considering thats what adalon is so whats her element and frikraag rarely if ever uses firebreath on me

seriously man, i don't see why you're so hung up on the ssob. it's really not the "ultimate special thing"

anyways, i think Adalon is cold based, but don't hold me to that.

From Monster Manual:

Chromatic Dragons:
white dragon = cold
black dragon = acid
green dragon = poison
blue dragon = electricity
red dragon = fire

Metallic Dragons:
brass dragon = fire
copper dragon = acid
bronze dragon = lightning
silver dragon = cold
gold dragon = fire

Others:
shadow dragon = energy drain

Note that Slow/Remove Magic is also very useful, as a Hasted Dragon is also very hard to stop. Also, most SoA dragons aren't by default immune to death magic, so something like a Chromatic Orb at level 12 can kill one.

Oh, and also, Improved Haste is the single best buffer ever. I'm serious. Cast in one your level 13 warriors, and watch them slice up the dragon.

Might help if you typed a bit more clearly. ;)

AFAIK, you get the thief guildhall if 1) you're a thief and 2) you haven't sided with Bodhi. You get the short sword of backstabbing if you do Renal's quest (eliminate Mae'Var) and return to him for a reward. If you're not a thief, and you didn't finish the quest, then you're out of luck.

Other people have asked you this, and I'm curious too: why do you want the SSoB so much? There are other weapons for thieves, and some are much better than some dinky +3 short sword that doesn't even have any other enchantments. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Dispel Magic dispels magical effects from spells, potions, magic items, etc. on its target. It has a 50% chance of working, and the higher in level your cleric is to whatever enemy the cleric's using Dispel Magic on, the greater the chance it works. However, enemy spell protections have a nasty habit of protecting against Dispel Magic, so you might want to have a mage cast Secret Word or Breach before trying to use Dispel Magic.

Adalon has a cold-based breath weapon, so stock up on Protection from Cold scrolls and don't use any weapon or spell that does cold damage (Ice Storm, Cone of Cold, Flail of Ages, Duskblade, etc.) as those will heal her.

GameBanshee has a nice section with dragonslaying tips.

Don't dismiss the SSoB so fast. For one, even with no added enchantments, there are really only three or four short swords throughout the game that do have enchantments, and only one of them has a a high damage inflictor, but isn't even available if you have only Shadows of Amn. Also, the other three are all in the +1-+2 range, so they're not useful against creatures that can withstand such weapons.

Secondly, I'm sure it's worth a moderate amount of gold, so if you want to buy a better weapon, you can sell it.

Now from and RPing point of view, the short sword is perfect for the thief because historically (And Role-Playisticly) speaking, the short sword is much easier to hide than a long sword.

Secondly, if you have a halfling thief (Or any smaller race thief other than a Dwarf maybe), a short sword makes sense. Most other thief weapons are too bulky (Though the game won't register it, you still do especially if you're really wanting to RP).

I only defend it because along with Kundane, my Swashbuckler Halfling dealt a lot of damage to his opponents with "The Shadow's Blade". Most of the time, he'd hit a 22-25 damage. He used it until I had both the Cutthroat and that other Short Sword not available when a person has only SoA.

Hell, he got the most kills at the end of Chapter 5! (Underdark, right?)

[ 02-25-2004, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: Jerr Conner ]

You don't have a hope in hell of getting Firkraag with a successful dispel/remove magic. From the description:

As Firkraag and Adalon are Level 23 and your magic users are level 13 it's a useless spell to use offensively in combat against them at your current levels. Breach all the way.

As for your other spells cast not working, read the battle text

'Spell Ineffective' means that some sort of magical protection is operating (don't think Firkraag does this off the top of my head; just stoneskins)
'Magic Resistance' means that you need to lower MR some more.

EDIT - for clarification

[ 02-25-2004, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

For the last time, you CANNOT get the SSoB from Renal and get/keep the Thief Stronghold. There is NO mod that does this. The Rogue Rebalancing mod, however, does enable you do get both things, but you won't get the SSoB until Chapter 6, and then only if you sided with the Shadow Thieves.


Chromatic Dragons are Evil in alignment, Metallic Dragons are Good, and Mineral Dragons are Neutral. In terms of Alignment, shadow dragons are classified as Chromatics. Some additional Dragons not mentioned in Nerull's list are:
yellow dragon = scorching sand (fire)
brown dragon = acid
amethyst dragon = concussion breath (blunt)

Also worth mentioning is that the Level Drain from the shadow dragon's breath weapon wears off after a few rounds.

The yellow dragon's scorching sand actually does purely piercing damage Six, though it is immune to fire.

It could also be worth mentioning that the different breath attacks don't all behave in the same way. For instance, the Red and Green Dragon Breaths act like homing missiles that explode with roughly the radius of a regular Fireball and absolutely cannot be dodged. The Yellow, Amethyst, and Brown Dragon Breaths on the other hand, cannot home in on you, but will always target the ground where you stand, and then affect everything within a (relatively) small radius around the impact point. What this means is that it is possible to dodge these breath attacks if you can move quickly enough.

Another theory I have, though I need to test that more thoroughly, is that they can only be avoided if you're constantly moving for the duration of the attack. If you stop at any time between the breath attack being initiated, and it hitting the ground, even just for a fraction of a second, even if you just pause to redirect your character, then you'll be hit. Or that is my experience anyhow.

[ 02-25-2004, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: Rataxes ]

That's bizarre. Does the word "scorching" not apply to anything here?

Let's consider sandblasters, which use a high-pressure stream of sand and air to abrade away things like paint from things like concrete. Ignoring just how bad this surely is for the unfortunate Dragon's throat and singing voice, what type of physical damage should it do? The sand grains move along the surface of impact, so I would say Slashing.

Add the "scorching" part back in, and I would favor a Yellow Dragon's breath weapon doing about 70% Slashing and 30% Fire.