I am about to start (again) with a char. i feel comfortable with a half-elf nueral evil cleric/mage with a fondness for death.
So far i have planned to take-
Me - C/M
Korgan - F
Viconia - C
Edwin - M
Jan - M/T
????? - F
But i need a competent fighter who can cope in an evil party 'til tob. I will get valygar to get my stronghold (mage) but i don't plan on letting him live. All the completed mods seem to be good npc and i don't want a semi-multi-player game. Therefore, does anyone know of an npc who will accept evil to a point. Is there a list of when npc's leave the party based on reputation?

You already have Korgan as an evil fighter, but if you want a second, I'd say go with Solaufein. He'll be CN, so he can withstand an evil party.

Why do you want to have another FIghter? You and Korgan would be sufficient IMHO. But that`s just me. Solaufein is one heck of a character. Recommended. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I don't intend doing much fighting myself, i will look into the s dude now.

I have read into s and it doesn't really appeal for what i need. I also cannot wait that long for him i also don't want to create him from scratch. Help still needed.

Jaheria is neutral, and buffed up she can tank pretty well.

Unfortunately, j is true nuetral and is offended by most things. This is my first evil game so i want the be evil. Thanks for the input though.

I know these aren't pure fighters, but i can't think of any other evil NPCs. You have the choice of valen (fighter/thief i think) and Silverstar (assassin) both of whom are evil. Silverstar you can pick up right at the beginning, Valen when you side with Bodhi.

http://weidu.org/valen.html for Valen and
http://forums.fwstudios.net/index.php?showforum=68 for Silver Star. Use this link, and not any websites that come up, they're out of date.

I've been playing with her for a little bit, she's completely mad but innocent at the same time having been tortured by Irenicus. She's also quite evil so would suit your party. Some quite funny banter as well. I believe she also has a large quest as well, but i haven't got that far yet

Valen is pretty powerful as well - she won't tank but she can't half fight, and also has a lot of dialogue, but no extra quests i don't think.

EDIT - added a bit to descriptions

EDIT 2 - Valen does tank in a way, when she turns to a vampiric mist she's immune to physical damage and a lot of magic damage so often she'll distract enemies who continue to attack her

[ 02-16-2004, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

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cant tank!?!?!? [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img] with her level draining ability, she's probably the cheesiest character ever made! to prove that she can indeed tank, ill just say that she took out Imp. Torgal single handedly...and thats saying alot!

Do you really need six characters? Your five-person party should be able to rock, and you'll all get to share the extra xp. Viconia can tank a little bit if she buffs appropriately. Korgan, no comment necessary. You've plenty of magical firepower in yourself and Edwin. Jan to handle the occasional backstab/trap/pickpocket not to mention some nice magery. My advice would be to forget adding a sixth until you get to TOB.

I agree with Neomi, your party is pretty much set as is. But if you are wanting that sixth character, you really can't get much better than Valen. If you don't want Sola, I'd say go with her, the only downsides being that being a vampire as she is, she has the obvious weaknesses. In her higher levels, she is unbelievably powerful as a tank, just be careful as to how much damage she recieves in combat.

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cant tank!?!?!? [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img] with her level draining ability, she's probably the cheesiest character ever made! to prove that she can indeed tank, ill just say that she took out Imp. Torgal single handedly...and thats saying alot! </font>[/QUOTE]I was taking tank to mean an ability to soak up damage - she only has a comparatively low number of hit points (compared to a pure fighter), and her AC certainly isn't stunning. She spent a lot of time in my game in a gaseous ball, especially once reaching higher level fighters. Two good hits and she's lost half her hitpoints straightaway.

I know she's solid, hence "she can't half fight" but there's a difference between offensive ability and her ability to tank. Eg a mage could take out Imp Torgal single-handedly but would be no tank (assuming we're not going down the buffing route). Although I am very impressed by that, he's solid!

And as for cheesy, well possibly, although as far as i'm aware, the only cheesiness is in her using the dagger proficiency (and thus grandmastery IIRC) for her claws which normal vampires don't do. Re. the easy victories with level draining, I believe the problem lies more with the fact that a lot of the monsters in BG2 are at a suprisingly low level but high stat rather than any cheesiness in the level draining abilities themselves.

EDIT - wording etc

[ 02-16-2004, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

Well, Improved Kitthix can take Imp. Torgal on singlehandedly. Of course, Valen is more overpowered, IMO, than Improved Kitthix, but the theory still stands. Just because it can beat Imp. Torgal by itself doesn't mean that it's overpowered. It depends a lot on just how quickly it beats Torgal, what buffs, what equipment, etc.

Anyhow, I'd suggest using Jaheira. Depends on how much you want to roleplay.

Odd, nobody mentioned Anomen.

Make him crazy, have him fail his test.

I have been using Valen in my party, and she annihilates enemies pretty fast. Granted she gets hit easy but she regenerates hps fast and takes down my enemies. A lot of fights I can send her in without anyone else in my party, and she can do just fine.

Honestly, you don't need 2 thieves, so choose between Valen and Jan (if planning to roleplay really evil, go Valen; she forces you to play evil). And to be honest, if you give Korgan regenerating items, you don't need another tank (you can always have Viconia back him up, especially once you get a strength belt for her). YOU HAVE 3 MAGES! Use them! Boost Korgan to ridiculous levels before combat; with 2 clerics and 3 mages in the party it's not like that is a problem.

If you are insistent on adding a 6th member, then Dundee is correct on Anomen. He can wear heavy armor, put 5 stars in weapons, and buff himself with clerical spells (you just have to make him fail his test). Jaheira is good, too, and Haer'Dalis is good if you use his spells to buff right (four wizard spell casters in the same party?).

I am not impressed with the selection of neutral and evil fighters in the game. If I could program, I would create a Chaotic Neutral Half-Orc Barbarian (use that one stray half-orc picture that comes with the game).

To whoever said about a second thief i wanted a fighter. Thanks for the help though. I am going to operate a 6th character rotation. I am also going to use the arrowhead formation for a while. The other mods look interesting but i have a couple of problems with them.
The vampire f/t is useful but i would have to side with bod and that means no edwin (please reply if i am wrong) and the other one is a thief and i really wanted a fighter.
I had also considered a multi-player game with the half-orc ce barb. However, i wanted someone who would interact with the party.

IIRC, you can side with Bodhi as long as you get Edwin first, no?

Correct.

here's a thought - if you want a pure fighter a slightly involved way round it could be to shadowkeeper Anomen into a single-class berserker or something

roleplay him that he actually is an evil fighter but with delusion of nobility - he's half insane in fact - you'll get his normal interactions but knowing he's nuts you'll merely turn to Edwin and roll your eyes . . . might put a whole new spin on the the conversation with his father and when he (obviously) fails his test he'll go CN and you'll be set

[ 02-17-2004, 06:12 AM: Message edited by: Armen ]

I think there's a problem with using shadow keeper to change some things about NPC's. I didn't like Keldorn's kit... so I used SK to change it and then he couldn't use Keldorn-only equipment.

On the other hand... I think there is a mod that you can use to change someone's alignment.... so maybe that could be used to convert a failed-test Anomen into a pure evil character while not losing his Anomen specific items ? Of course... maybe you think the Family Shield sucks and you dont want it anyway

You can also consider adding Haer'Dalis. IIRC he's chaotic neutral and shouldn't have a problem playing well with an evil party. Besides, a Blade makes a nice compliment to Korgan, and also can support you and Edwin will additional spells. Finally, you don't need to download any additional mods to get his NPC, so he would be my recommendation.

Yes, Haer'Dalis is chaotic evil.

What alignment does Anomen become if he fails his test? I've never had him fail it.

Anomen becomes chaotic nuetral and hd is chaotic nuetral too. At the mo i don't have edwin yet so i have jaheira and valy (sphere=stronghold, hopefully).

If you have ToB there is a certain person who is an excellent tank.

I was trying to find someone to bridge the gap until then. By the looks of it, once i get edwin i will be rotating pos6. The plan looks to be get the 5 settled members (edwin is taking longer because i need money for better equipment to face rayic's big dudes), take 'mo to a certain place, return with someone else, pick tuther dude up in tob.

Actually, consider your current 5 members (the evil ones plus Jan) as your "staple" party, and just rotate the 6th member as you need them. What's more evil than adding a goody-two-shoes and using them until they become expendible, then doing them in. For inspiration, see Six's I'm still a naughty boy thread. Especially good if you sacrifice them at a certain point near the end of the game (I know you've been through the game, but I won't spoil for those who don't know...).

I got Valen after Edwin. And Edwin actually doesn't mind joining Bodhi, Korgan and Viconia recommend it : P And Jaheira just says Meh. ;)

I only got to ch6!

Oh, I didn't know that! But still, good advice for an evil party is to "use" people in that 6th slot, then "get rid" of them when you don't need them any more. You can get pretty creative in getting rid of them, if you wish. That way you won't feel bad getting rid of your stooge right before the final fight in the game (or during the fight, if need be), then picking up the ToB NPC when you get there. However, just a hint, you'll find an excuse before the final battle to do in that goody-two-shoes to save yourself some grief... ;)