I think this is definitely a spoiler for those who haven't experienced Xzar's quest to its pathetic conclusion....

As an additional note to my grievances about Xzar not being given any extra subquests in the game to do with either the Book of Kaza or anything else evilish or Montaron or Zhentarim related, I just thought I'd express my absolute disgust for the way he is so coldly dispatched if one chooses to follow his mission to the end. In fact... I wonder if I'd be generalising too much if I said that evil characters seem to get a raw end of the deal in this game by being punished compared to the reasonable balance that was to be found in Bg1. Doing away with Xzar in this fashion is unforgivable!
Well, at least to this fan. ;)

Thus, it got me wondering if it was at all possible to save him from Lucette just before the critical blow is made. Has anyone managed to do it? I've reloaded twice so far, surrounded Xzar in the attempt to prevent him from taking any blows, but as he attempts the misguided polymorph, his assailant is seemingly too close to stop. Grr! :mad: Yet another seemingly all too linear moment. Mayhaps I'll try buffing my party to the heavenly max before initiating dialogue - otherwise if I can't save the life of my old travelling friend, I may just reload within the Harper complex and get Korgan to malevolently maim on sight by sending some Harper carcasses bloodily to Mystra. [img]graemlins/madhell.gif[/img]

[ 01-04-2004, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: CerebroDragon ]

A related thread involving the book of Kaza

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You can't save him...it is entirely linear. I wouldn't mind seeing a mod where you can save him, or turn things around back on the Harpers. This would allow you to save both Xzar and Montaron (you'll have to raise Montaron, but to actually have an evil thief other than overbalanced Valen would be worth it).

[ 01-04-2004, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Nerull ]

I've tried to save him on a number of occasions, including having an assassin deliver a 7x backstab with Celestial Fury...

to no avail :(

I wanted to save Xzar as well. I would have even resurrected him if that were possible.

*sigh*

Bear in mind that the Harpers' methods are unorthodox and above all POETIC. It's almost a turnon, when you think about it. Monty BROKE IN to their compound for some sinister end, while Xzar trained two in magic (cruelly, I might add... It would be an affront to Mystra, the goings-on in that building. Secretive training and experimentation, when Mystra says all who have talent should be taught.), and then Xzar dangles Imoen and Irenicus in front of your face, cajoling YOU to break into their compound and do the dirty work for him. Then, you are led through what is OBVIOUSLY a setup (Harper Amulets? Come ON! And Spectral Harpists arbitrarily letting you in because you have them?! There are no amulets, only pins.), catch "Monty" and bring him back... It's poetic, it's fitting, it's perfect, and it's infuriating to someone who'd love to refuse Xzar, march directly over to Rylock, and say, "Excuse me, but you should know a Zhent by the name of Xzar is conspiring to break into your building."

Feh...

One word: Ctrl+y!!

I've saved him on occassion, right befor the assassin kills him, I pause, and have Jaheira use a Rod of Ressurection. Of course you have to time it just right.

What's even funnier is after he's ressurected, during dialogue initiation he screams, "What!? You're not Monty!!"

Assuming he/she has cheats on ;)

I believe The Darkest Day mod gives you that opportunity; you could even let him join your party IIRC.

Yeah, but from what I've heard that thing is buggier than ToEE. Plus, I would only want that one aspect changed in the game, not the radical change that TDD makes to the game.

No you cannot. I have tried cntrl y and it doesnt work because Xzars death is timer activated, not by being killed by the harper :( What an anticlimax huh?

Can you actually use the rod on dead people not in your party? Wow I didn't know that! Not that there's a lot of dead non-party members I want to revive though ;)

Can you actually use the rod on dead people not in your party? Wow I didn't know that! Not that there's a lot of dead non-party members I want to revive though ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Go on, revive johnny boy [img]tongue.gif[/img] you know you want to...

Can you actually use the rod on dead people not in your party? Wow I didn't know that! Not that there's a lot of dead non-party members I want to revive though ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Yep. I've done it with plenty of characters. You just need to time it right.

The best way to do it is to use the rod one or two seconds on the person before they die.

Can you actually use the rod on dead people not in your party? Wow I didn't know that! Not that there's a lot of dead non-party members I want to revive though ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Go on, revive johnny boy [img]tongue.gif[/img] you know you want to... </font>[/QUOTE]Finally, we can follow up on the threats we must have made to him when he was holding us! "YOU BASTARD! I WILL NOT ONLY KILL YOU, BUT I'LL RAISE YOU FROM THE DEAD TO KILL YOU EVEN SLOWER AND MORE PAINFULLY!"

Actually, why waste all of those charges? Just heal him with a cleric [img]smile.gif[/img]

I think the reason the Rod works is because it's an instant thing, no? I'm unsure, I've never done it, but you need to hit the target while the red circle (or blue circle, for that matter) is still there and the damage meter reads "Dead"... A caster would take too long, I believe. Unless it's a cleric/mage with the Robe of Vecna and Amulet of Power.. Then, maybe. But I don't know, I could be wrong.

The rod takes 5 seconds I think. Usually those npcs I raise only ressurect right after they died.

A bit of thread Necromancy here to add something not already stated in the thread (what a change!). I have saved Xzar, by talking to Lucette before she murders him. Very interesting as she reacts as though she has killed him. And Xzar just stands there like an idiot, "What in the...?? You're not Montaron!" Just an interesting tid-bit that I enjoyed. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I believe The Darkest Day mod gives you that opportunity; you could even let him join your party IIRC. </font>[/QUOTE]<span style="color: lightblue">Almost. TDD doesn't change that sequence at all. It plays throguh as normal, Xzar dies. THEN, another Xzar dimension doors in, says "that was a clone", and you go to find Montaron. Yes, again.