hey guys. i've passed this game a few times but not for a while. i can't remember if there are any advantages with earning cash with the theives or bodie. also if you choose the graveyard, can you get edwin in your party?

is doing the graveyard more annoying and longer (if i remember right it is)

plz refresh me anyone!! lol

You can have Edwin in your arty as long as your reputation isnt too high. Oh, and Bohdi quests are much harder, Linvail gives you nice items. Bodhi doesn't. You can also get help from the Shadow Thieves again.

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You can ask for their to get a item from Bohdi and kill her.

You'll need the same amount of cash for both sides, and eventually get the same items. However, there is more experience to be had if you side with the thieves, and you'll get an interesting item if you side with Bodhi. (Don't ask me what this item is--either have someone else tell you or side with Bodhi yourself. I'm not gonna spoil everything. ;) )

You can still get Edwin and side with Bodhi as long as you don't side with the thieves first. I'm not sure if you can finish the Mae'Var quest and report back to Renal and still side with Bodhi.

Personally, I prefer Bodhi over the thieves. Her quests are interesting and actually accomplish a goal, rather than being Aran's messenger boy then mercenary. But it's up to the character and ultimately the player to decide which is better.

PS: If the PC is a thief, forget about siding with Bodhi. She doesn't trust thieves. Wonder why. ;)

PPS: Once you pick a side, the game forces you to be loyal to that side. So no siding with the thieves then shooting up the stronghold--at least, unless you really want to meet Arkanis Gath. ;)

Pirengle, IIRC, you do not get the same items in the end. You get more items if you join with the Shadow Thieves instead.

Actually... you get more items if you join Bodhi's side. All of the items that Aran Linvail gives you, plus 3 additional items.

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Wow, that's a surprise. I've never sided with Bodhi, but I've always read that Aran Linvail gives better/more items than Bodhi. This is something new. But I guess it balances out: Linvail= more xp, Bodhi= more items

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The point is that if you are with bodi, you can sack the aran linvail's room, and then get some items. One basic and ultra important item you will have anyway. The rest while nice, are hardly THAT important.

but you can't get a certain ring, iirc...but you get a different ring in replacement...
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(you can't get ring of lockpicks if you side with bodhi, but you can get the ring of genie summoning) this ring is important in item upgrade mod...

You do not need to side with Aran Linvail to get that Ring. ;) You just need to get it before siding with Bodhi.

The Ring of Lockpicks is in the basement. The Ring of Djinn Summoning is in Aran Linvail's room. Unless there is a second Ring of Lockpicks I am unaware of.

But Dundee, don't you get the key to the basement when you side with the Shadow Thieves? So without siding with the Shadow Thieves you can't get in the basement until you get the key in Bodhi's quests and in that case the ring won't be there?

What basement? And do you mean the key you got from Galen Boyle? Is the basement where you enter the ST's building, or what?

By basement I mean the secret level you can only get in with a key as that's where you find the ring of lockpicking. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hmmmm... at the moment I cannot recall whether the key is meant for the second secret door or the first. I do still feel that the Ring of Lockpicks is attainable without the need to side with Aran Linvail.

SixOfSpades might be able to answer this question.

Edwin: Renal Bloodscalp's quest is completely separate from Aran Linvail's. It is 100% possible to run Renal's quest to completion, including recruiting Edwin into your party and collecting the reward from Renal, and then going & siding with Bodhi. Depending on the precise order of your actions at this point, however, this may or may not prevent you from getting an extra pair of very nice Boots.

Thief Stronghold: Siding with Bodhi will automatically strip you of the Thief Stronghold, if you've already obtained it, but that still doesn't mean you can't get the Strronghold, run through the few quests associated with it, and then pay Bodhi....you'll just have to be very, very careful with your bank account. Obviously, this paragraph only applies to PCs who are only part Thief, or who have All-Strongholds installed.

Ring of Djinni Summoning: Only appears (in Aran Linvail's room) if the PC is working for Bodhi.

Ring of Lock Picks: I'm 100% sure it's obtainable after siding with Aran Linvail, 98% sure it's in the exact same place (non-MODded game) after siding with Bodhi, and 78% sure (since I don't recall being without it) when siding with Bodhi with aVENGER's "Shadow Thief Improvements" MOD installed. I'm not going to verify that last one, though, as I don't hate myself enough to play through STI again.

Other Items: Dundee, you mentioned three additional items that can be obtained when working for Bodhi.....but apart from the aforementioned RoDS, I can only think of the RA+3. What'd I miss?

Correct me if I am wrong, but Aran Linvail is wearing Elven Chainmail right?

I don't think the ring of lockpicks is there when you side with Bodhi. Remember you
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obtain the ring when you talk to a shadow thief who talks to you about his plans to kill Aran Linvail. This is overheard by another Shadow Thief who kills the traitor. The ring of lock picks is on the traitors body. Now if you sided with Bodhi all Shadow Thieves are hostile so this situation can never happen the only thieves in the back rooms where you met the traitor are hostile. So I don't think you can get the ring... And remember before you side with Bodhi the door is locked so you can't get in that area to get the ring...

EDIT:Oh yeah Aran Linvail does wear Elven Chainmail +1 IIRC.

[ 01-04-2004, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Zarr ]

i am pretty sure that if you go thru the other door, not thru the renal's headquarters, i do think that's open...i recall distinctly that i went thru the other door at least once, can't recall if i had paid off baylen gayle...

elven chainmail can be easily gotten early in the game, before elven city, by giving the mantle of waukeen to one of the feuding familys...the guy, not the woman...

Whoop dee doo, Elven Chainmail. Jan doesn't need it, Nalia doesn't want it, Valygar can't use it, and Imoen can't even get to it--plus there's the fact that you can always side with Aran, then kill him in Chapter 6, thus getting all the Thieves' goodies anyway. I'd feel differently if the Elven Chain was a unique item--or even one worth getting. The Ring and the Axe are, so far, the only items only obtainable through working for Bodhi.

About the Ring of Lock Picks: There is NO way to enter that level without first either paying, or killing, Gaelan Bayle, so obtaining the Ring in Chapter 2 is impossible. But I'm pretty sure you can still get it even when working for Bodhi: The Thief who carries it is still in the exact same spot, and all you have to do is kill him yourself, instead of watching somebody else do it. (With Shadow Thief Improvements installed, that room is the site of one of the 5 major battles on that level, and I doubt that the Thief is there--but I seem to recall that the Ring is given to one of the other enemies there, so you're not forced to go without.)

[ 01-05-2004, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: SixOfSpades ]

Yeah, I agree with "Whoop dee doo, Elven Chainmail" but the prize goes to "Whoop dee doo, Ring of Lock Picks!" True, for every lock you pick you get experience, but you can force a difficult lock, cast Knock, or get a potion... I'm sorry, I just don't know what the ado is. If you're wondering which side to pick based on ITEMS, then by all means go with Bhodi, even if it meant you couldn't ever ever get that ring.

Though to be fair, I did equip it... for a day. Though I admit it's a useful thing to carry in someone's gem bag, just in case. That's what I also did with the Mercykiller Ring.

Edit- And the Ring of the Ram. Good to have in an emergency, though impractical to take up a ring slot when it doesn't bestow any kind of stat or bonus.

[ 01-06-2004, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Illumina Drathiran'ar ]

Actually, the Ring of Lock Picks can come in quite handy--Jan's Locks score is already quite high, but Nalia could certainly use it, and it also allows Yoshimo to allocate his precious low-level points elsewhere.

As for Ring of the Ram--an attack that punches through Improved Invisibility, any type of spell or combat protections, disrupts the victim's spellcasting, and knocks them away from you? Count me IN!!! :D

That's why I said I keep it on hand. Especially useful if someone like Minsc or another non-spellcaster needs to be able to hit fast, hard, and instantly. It's a great item, don't get me wrong... but you can only use it once a day, so I prefer to hang onto it for emergencies, and boost AC or something like that with other rings. Keep it till you need it.

And if you abuse SixOfSpade's cheese of getting multiple Rings of Ram, you can have a firing squad of Rammers.

Player 1, ready, steady, FIRE! Player 2, ready, steady, FIRE! Player ~~... ... ;)

A firing squad of Rammers... I do believe I'll leave that one well enough alone.

You know, I may have come up with the way to get 3 and still keep Valygar in the party, but it's not like I've ever done it....or even want my name associated with it. ;)

Ah... but you were the one that thought of how to do it first, and that is all that matters. ;)

hmm all this writing to say bodie is harder and edwin can still be gotten when you side with her lmao thanks guys. though i've passed the game twice before thanks for all your help

You CAN indeed get the RoL when siding with Bodhi. Its not held by the thief though, Haz the mage holds(hes in the same place though). Someone said something about entering the basement before getting the key. Not possible. The door in the compound is locked beyond picking, and the other entrances are blocked by something, giving a message like "This entrance is blocked. Looks like your not welcome here"(probably no where close to what the real message says, but the general point is the same). The djinn ring can be quite nicely replaced by the Efreeti Bottle, IMO.

Whew. So even though my means was wrong, the end is the same. You gain more, lose none when siding with Bodhi. Item-wise at least.

You know, I may have come up with the way to get 3 and still keep Valygar in the party, but it's not like I've ever done it....or even want my name associated with it. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]i think i know how you figured it out...but it requires NOT installing the baldurdash patch, right???

ring one...pickpocket tolgarious...

get valygar in the party, open up planar sphere...

pickpocket valygar for his body...this can be done if baldurdash patch is not installed....

sell body, take rep loss...ring 2

kill tolgarious, ring 3...

oh, by the way...

hhehehehhehehheh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you pickpocket lavok with a thief using mass invisibility, mislead, etc...you can get 2 rings of acuity...

even with baldurdash patch installed, you can pick up a ring before initiating dialog, and a second ring after he dies...

;) SixOfSpades has Baldurdash installed.

ok, i give up...unless if you kill valygar, and resurrect him, his script drops his body...

please tell me...

<span style="color: lightblue">At a guess,

Step 1: Pickpocket Tolgerias - Ring 1.
Step 2: Go through the planar sphere.
Step 3: Go down to the corridor leading to Tolgerias.
Step 4: Open the door and send an invisible thief in.
Step 5: Pickpocket Tolgerias - Ring 2.
Step 6: Kill Tolgerias - Ring 3.

Although, this might not work... if my general logic is right, it *should* make it possible to get 5 rings in total.

"You know, I may have come up with the way to get 3 and still keep Valygar in the party, but it's not like I've ever done it....or even want my name associated with it."

nope, that would be 3 while valygar is still alive...if you sell the body, 4, not five...count it...

time to experiment... [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

actually i doubt it would work...

[ 01-12-2004, 02:36 AM: Message edited by: Userunfriendly ]

I'm about... sixty percent sure that if you pickpocket an item from a character and kill that same character, you don't get double items. The reason this works on Tolgerias and even Lavok is because the scene changes and quite possibly they're different character files. Details are sketchy, but believe me, I've tried this on other characters and quests... ("There's a WHAT in their chicken?!" and a few others) and it shouldn't work.

<span style="color: lightblue">UserUnfriendly - think about it a little more abstractly. I said using that logic, not using that method. Possibly 6 rings if you don't have Baldurdash. :D
Technically, it shouldn't work, but it might just.

that's because the game actually spawns a new creature when you have an area change...when you met tolgarious, you actually met a creature, that the game kills and creates a new one when you meet him later...now in the planar sphere, he is not being respawned...

urg...

Technically, you're only supposed to get ONE ring, and that's the one off the little bastard's corpse after you stove his skull in with Jaheira's oaken quarterstaff.

No wonder Six doesn't want to put his name on this discovery. :(

There's some reason for debate on that--it's true that some duplicated items can be obtained by taking advantage of the fact that the game doesn't check to see if they were pickpocketed before moving the creature to a new area--a bug first well-known with the RoP+2 in Baldur's Gate I. But the fact that you can get 2 Rings of the Ram off of Tolgerias without him moving leads me to believe that the RoR is, in fact, <u>not</u> a unique item. Tolgerias might actually know how to make them, and that's how he earns his living--he doesn't really seem to do much of anything else, apart from stand around in the Council of Six building and get his butt kicked.

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1. Pickpocket Tolgerias.
2. Petrify Valygar. (If you don't have the spell, any convenient Trap will do, including the Prismatic Spray one in the Slaver Ship.)
3. Stone to Flesh, re-recruit.
4. Note the heavy emotional burden weighing down a man forced to carry his own dead body.
5. Make Valygar write a dark, macabre poem about it.
6. Take the corpse and boot the man.
7. Stick his body in your Bag of Holding and open the sphere. Note with glee how certain plot items (such as the Sun Gems in the Temple Ruins) do not vanish from your Inventory if they're in the Bag.
8. Email Kevin Dorner about this bug.
9. Take the body to Tolgerias and take the crushing loss of a single rep point.
10. Re-recruit Valygar and kick some Cowled booty.

impressive...i like it!!! may i include that in the next edition of the cheese guide??? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Go ahead, not like it's my cheese. (Quickly and quietly disowns the cheese in question)