I recently downloaded shadowkeeper, an excelently put together program bye the way (IMHO). Does anyone think it is wrong of me to increase the movement speed of my party(they are so painfully slow!!). I mean I did it anyway but it kinda felt like cheating.I guess that's kind of what everything a person can do with shadowkeeper is,but I try to keep it to a minimum.I really dwnldd it to change the portraits of my NPC's,there's something about Jaheira looking like Angelina Jolie that is, well, just right. Just looking for some opinions on the subject.

Yes my opinion is that you are cheating. Everything that you change with SK is cheating in my opinion... well not everything. If you lost an item you can try to find it and if you don`t you can either pretend that is the way it is and be more careful next time or you can cheat it into the game. But if it is plot item then I guess you can cheat it into the game.

There are different levels of cheating, this "offense" is a very minor one, so don't sweat it! [img]smile.gif[/img]

BTW,
[img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img] WELCOME TO IRONWORKS, MABAX THE KILLER DWARF! [img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img]

PS. Nice, name! ;)

no offense but i think it is cheating. just bare with it, its not that bad. however, the movement of your characters is a combat element aswell, hense it will advantage you in combat = cheating

you would be better off just doing it normally and have the feeling of satisfaction that you passed it normally [img]smile.gif[/img]

You can raise the movement speed through the game's own config program as well. This will increase the movement speed of anything else too, so it'll make your party move faster without giving them an advantage in combat. Try this if you just want the game to be a bit more fast-paced.

I can't remember exactly which option it is, as it's been maybe two years since I've played, but I'm sure someone else here can point that out.

Thanx for the feedback.I never thought about getting an advantage in combat, so I guess it is more like cheating than I thought. I will maybe try and do it in the game config. program instead(didn't even look at that). The darkside IS very tempting.


thanks again.

Cheat all you want, as long as you're having fun. Personally I don't see much wrong with increasing your movement speed (since it's mostly about getting places quicker). Obviously if you did it just so that you could run circles around your foes in combat it would be more of a cheat.

My opinion is that the purpose of games is to have fun, so as long as you're having fun...just be careful not to overdo it; giving yourself the magical sword +25 and ring of regeneration infinity might be fun for awhile, but can ultimately make the game boring.

There's actually a lot of people out there who have made and play with mods that make the game harder, so that after beating it a few times, there are some new challenges. As long as you can make the game fun, modify it however you want!*

*forgoing statements do NOT apply to multiplayer games

Increasing movement rate might increase your number of attacks per round. It also lets you run away faster from enemies. If you want a faster pace, get boots of speed. If you go through ToB, you can easily get 6 boots of speed, but that takes a while ;) . Just use the haste or improved haste spell

Xen: if you lost an item and can't find it, you lost that item... period. You cannot pretend to have found it, because then it's still cheating. If it wasn't cheating you could also "pretend" your characters were walking faster. No big deal that way.

Shadowkeeper is good for solving problems, bugs and stuff like that (when you don't get an item which you should've gotten anyway).

To answer your question, mabax the killer dwarf (love your name, btw, sounds like a bad teenage slasher movie ;) ): there are enough Boots of Speed in the game to give your entire party better movement speed.

To be blatantly frank, I see cheating as spoiling the challenge and the essence of an RPG experience. Attempting to defeat the odds naturally and to grow to cherish our characters through merit and dedication I think should really give far more fulfillment in the long run than playing for lesser godmodes ;)
You get potent enough in ToB as it is!

No offense to those who do it of course, but I just think it defeats the purpose of roleplaying and gaming in general.

[ 01-02-2004, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: CerebroDragon ]

"Potent". To put it mildly, yes. Comparing yourself with Elminster would dwarf Elminster as if he was the kobold next door. You become a God (not to mention your party) whether you want it or not!

I know. That`s why I said plot important items.

Here's what I do: I use CTRL + J.
So my char's don't move any faster in combat then they should and I can get from one side of the map to the other in a couple of seconds.

And I don't abuse that when in combat.
It's up to each one to decide what to do with all these tricks.

I also use it. For the sake of time nothing less.

There's still a difference between not getting and losing an item IMHO. If you lose an item, tough luck, go find it.

I agree. It`s a big diffrence. If you don`t get it is probably your fault. Be more careful. (Well except when it come to nasty little critters called bugs) But if you lost it, that is the way it is. Learn to except the consequences of your actions.

What would be an instance when you need to be careful to get an item? And if you don't get it, how would that be your fault?

*Dazed and confused look on face*

My reply was based on the difference "not getting" i.e. a bug, and "losing" i.e. just your own fault.

Wow, more people responded than I thought. I decided to go back and move everybody's movement rate back down to normal. I've played the game through maybe 5 times in total (working on 6)and never done it yet, so why start now.
I do however think that "if it feels good, do it" does apply to computer gaming. What a person shouldn't do if he goes on an uncontrollable cheatfest is compare him/herself to people who don't.

Sometimes you just gotta see if having all your stats at 25 WOULD make a difference.

I think people(maybe not everybody, but a majority)never finish one of those type of games. We feel like we are cheating ourselves and revert back to a normal character. You know, normal, the one where you sat in front of the character generation screen for 3 hours trying to get all 18's (it has to be posssible dmn it!)
Moral of the story: I lost my train of thoght,got to go create a character

::raises hand:: There is a problem with Control-J... Sometimes, a plot-related NPC might spawn on a map and attempt to talk to you, but you zip past them. A messenger or someone like that. It's a small chance, but it's there. I would advise caution.