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Dalamar Stormcrow 12-25-2003 10:43 AM

Why does the wording for the spell, Abi-Dalzhim's Horrid Wilting, slower, is it like a warning to bolt and get the hell out of there?

And why is Abi-Dalzhim's Horrid Wilting posted under a Necromancy type spell????

Good Luck finding out [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Lord 12-25-2003 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dalamar Stormcrow:
Why does the wording for the spell, Abi-Dalzhim's Horrid Wilting, slower, is it like a warning to bolt and get the hell out of there?

And why is Abi-Dalzhim's Horrid Wilting posted under a Necromancy type spell????

Good Luck finding out [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Well let's see:

It's not an illusion, no doubt about that ;) .
It's not evocation/invocation: it's not a stationary spell (although it sort of looks like it when you cast it), the caster is not calling upon their God to help them out, and the caster is not creating materials (like Melf's Acid Arrows) to shoot at his/her enemies.
It's not abjuration because it's not a protection spell.
It's not alteration because, well, I don't know why. I'd think it could possibly be this since it changes the condition of a creature.
It's not enchantment/charm b/c it's not changing a character's attitude (unless he dies from it [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) and it doesn't give magical properties to items.
It's not divination because the caster is not learning hidden secrets.

Which leaves Necromancy. It could be necromancy because it deals with the vitality of living creatures, like many of the other spells. But it's affect mathes no other class except necromancy and alteration.

Haldir 12-25-2003 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dalamar Stormcrow:
Why does the wording for the spell, Abi-Dalzhim's Horrid Wilting, slower, is it like a warning to bolt and get the hell out of there?

And why is Abi-Dalzhim's Horrid Wilting posted under a Necromancy type spell????

Good Luck finding out [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Well let's see:

It's not an illusion, no doubt about that ;) .
It's not evocation/invocation: it's not a stationary spell (although it sort of looks like it when you cast it), the caster is not calling upon their God to help them out, and the caster is not creating materials (like Melf's Acid Arrows) to shoot at his/her enemies.
It's not abjuration because it's not a protection spell.
It's not alteration because, well, I don't know why. I'd think it could possibly be this since it changes the condition of a creature.
It's not enchantment/charm b/c it's not changing a character's attitude (unless he dies from it [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) and it doesn't give magical properties to items.
It's not divination because the caster is not learning hidden secrets.

Which leaves Necromancy. It could be necromancy because it deals with the vitality of living creatures, like many of the other spells. But it's affect mathes no other class except necromancy and alteration.
</font>[/QUOTE]I agree...

Tyrion 12-25-2003 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Haldir:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lord:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dalamar Stormcrow:
Why does the wording for the spell, Abi-Dalzhim's Horrid Wilting, slower, is it like a warning to bolt and get the hell out of there?

And why is Abi-Dalzhim's Horrid Wilting posted under a Necromancy type spell????

Good Luck finding out [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Well let's see:

It's not an illusion, no doubt about that ;) .
It's not evocation/invocation: it's not a stationary spell (although it sort of looks like it when you cast it), the caster is not calling upon their God to help them out, and the caster is not creating materials (like Melf's Acid Arrows) to shoot at his/her enemies.
It's not abjuration because it's not a protection spell.
It's not alteration because, well, I don't know why. I'd think it could possibly be this since it changes the condition of a creature.
It's not enchantment/charm b/c it's not changing a character's attitude (unless he dies from it [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) and it doesn't give magical properties to items.
It's not divination because the caster is not learning hidden secrets.

Which leaves Necromancy. It could be necromancy because it deals with the vitality of living creatures, like many of the other spells. But it's affect mathes no other class except necromancy and alteration.
</font>[/QUOTE]I agree...
</font>[/QUOTE]me too...

Userunfriendly 12-26-2003 04:47 AM

MUST NOT QUOTE, MUST NOT QUOTE.... ;) [img]tongue.gif[/img]

sorta think of it as the mummification spell, you're essentually mummifying a creature alive...(though it works on undead too...hmmm...)

JrKASperov 12-26-2003 06:14 AM

Extracting all moist from a subject's body seems like Transmutation to me, sorry. The only thing Necromantic about that spell is the little skull you see when it hits.. :rolleyes:

[ 12-26-2003, 06:15 AM: Message edited by: JrKASperov ]

Neo Duelis of Ra 12-26-2003 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JrKASperov:
Extracting all moist from a subject's body seems like Transmutation to me, sorry. The only thing Necromantic about that spell is the little skull you see when it hits.. :rolleyes:
I thought "transmutation" is turning something into something else. It doesn't say "Turns all water to x" so really, its just removing. Necromancy IMO.

JrKASperov 12-26-2003 08:20 AM

No, transmutation is not turning x into y. Transmutaation is just altering an object's conditions. So, a body could be removed of all it's water, basically what ADHW does.

Userunfriendly 12-26-2003 01:13 PM

we're not converting a body's water into silica, for example...we're removing it, in an entropic process...extraction...

like an undead sucks out yer levels...

Mr_Krift 12-28-2003 06:49 PM

Well, it hit them for so much, some times it kills them. Killing = Death , Death = Necromancy

Rockstar 12-29-2003 07:29 AM

umm magic missles can kill.... does that make it necromancer [img]tongue.gif[/img] ?

it is basically a death fog -> a necromatic version of cloud kill.

though i think the transmutator arguement is a good one

Raistlin Majere 12-29-2003 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr_Krift:
Well, it hit them for so much, some times it kills them. Killing = Death , Death = Necromancy
LOL!!! Simplifying to the extreme... [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]


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