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Lord 10-26-2003 08:17 PM

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<font color=blue>I went to complete the Windspear Hills quest today, and I think I've found something new about what Firkraag does.
When I started to fight him, Firkraag would immediately use 'Red Dragon Breath' on Yoshimo. My PC character was standing right next to Yoshimo, so they both ended up dying, causing me to reload.
I fight him again, and once again, Firkraag uses 'Red Dragon Breath' on Yoshimo, this time wiping out 3 members of my party, including my PC. So I went to reload again.
Well, guess what??? The same exact thing happened 2 more times in a row. I just did it a few more times to see if it would always be like this. So the 5th time, I placed my PC away from Yoshimo before I initiated combat just to see if it would help out, but no. I tried this twice, and Yoshimo was targeted both times. So, so far, 6 fights with Big F, and 6 'Red Dragon Breaths' targeted on Yoshimo.
The 7th time I tried, I put Yoshimo as far away as Firkraag as possible. I put him at the top of the steps, and initiated battle with Firkraaf in the far south side of the area. But once again, Yoshimo was targeted by 'Red Dragon Breath.' Still no good.
The 8th and last time I tried, Yoshimo was targeted again, but this time, even though he was killed, he was not killed beyond ressurection. So I just finished the battle with Firkraag, and then I ressurected Yoshimo after the battle was over.
Now, this was the first time I've fought Firkraag with Yoshimo in my group, so I've never would have realized if I've had this before. I've killed Firkraag with many different parties, but this is the first time I've ever encountered something like this. So I got a (silly) idea that maybe Yoshimo had an item on him that causes Firkraag to target him. But Yoshimo didn't have much on him, he had:
Boots of Stealth
Ring of Danger Stealth
Mercy Killer Ring
Celestial Fury
Short Bow +2
Shadow Armor
Shield Amulet
Rogue Stone
Some healing potions and potions of regeneration.

So this didn't make sense either. And besides, it wouldn't make sense either to have Firkraag single out Yoshimo for some equipment. Has anyone every encountered something like this before? It seems extremely strange to me...</font>

Faceman 10-27-2003 03:13 AM

Never cam across that one. Have you tried just hiding Yoshi in Shadows or other invisibilities?

shadowolf03 10-27-2003 04:37 AM

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Possibly Firkragg with his 'almighty' knowledge and great age knows about Yoshimo's pact with Jon Irenicus thus 'subtly' hinting to you that you have a less than loyal member in your party?

Link 10-27-2003 05:06 AM

[img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] I thought of exactly the same thing whilst thinking about a possible solution, shadowolf03 [img]smile.gif[/img]

Xen 10-27-2003 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Faceman:
Never cam across that one. Have you tried just hiding Yoshi in Shadows or other invisibilities?
Me neither. Maybe Firky wants to have a real BBQ...with Yoshimo. :D

JrKASperov 10-27-2003 06:47 AM

Is Yshimo wearing the shadow scale armor from the shadow dragon? If so, dragons do not like seeing brothers skins on someone else :D

Indemaijinj 10-27-2003 08:44 AM

Brothers?? Hardly. The difference between a shadow dragon and a red dragon is about as big as the difference between an elf and an orc.

Grammar 10-27-2003 09:25 AM

In the portrait order at the right, did you switch Yoshimo around so that he's at the top of it?

Lord 10-27-2003 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JrKASperov:
Is Yshimo wearing the shadow scale armor from the shadow dragon? If so, dragons do not like seeing brothers skins on someone else :D
He's wearing Shadow Armor, not shadow scale armor. I think I got it from the Adventurer's Mart in WK.
Faceman, I accidentally left it out; In my 7th attempt, I hid Yoshimo in the shadows and then put him on the steps, as far away from Firkraag as possible.
Grammer, Yoshimo is the second to last from the top.

JrKASperov 10-27-2003 10:36 AM

Dragons would not be angry if they see another's scales on someone, they'd jsut think, he's dangerous, lets slay him before he means harm.

Too Hot 10-27-2003 12:20 PM

so ur team was cooked what were they like raw medium and well done

Bahamut 10-27-2003 01:05 PM

how about his belt? he wasn't wearing the belt of inertial barrier isn't he? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Luvian 10-27-2003 01:56 PM

It's not the items, it's probably just the targettng AI having a preference.

The AI could be looking for hit point, AC or class. Is that the normal Firkraag, or the improved one?

Raistlin Majere 10-27-2003 02:11 PM

does Yoshimo have the lowest fire resistance? i think it might be possible for Firkraag to have a script making him breathe on the character with the lowest fire resistance...just an idea

Lord 10-27-2003 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Luvian:
It's not the items, it's probably just the targettng AI having a preference.

The AI could be looking for hit point, AC or class. Is that the normal Firkraag, or the improved one?

Improved Firkraag. And Raistlin Majere, he didn't have the lowest fire resistance in the group.

Edit: He doesn't have the lowest HP in my party; there are 2 more members of my party that have less HP than him. He doesn't have the lowest AC either. he had either -2 or -3, and Aerie had either 1 or 0 at that time.

[ 10-27-2003, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: Lord ]

Gangrell 10-27-2003 05:12 PM

Actually, I have this happen before, only in my experience he aimed for Viconia. I'm not too sure as how to counter it or get around it, but I think it has something to do with where the Pc's are placed in the group formation. Try moving Yoshimo's portrait.

If that doesn't work, maybe it's where the character is. You said that Yoshimo was at the stairs but Firkragg still aimed for him, maybe it's because even though he's so far away, he's still on the same side in each battle. Try having him start the battle behind Firkragg.

Hope this helps.

Lord 10-27-2003 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gangrell:
Actually, I have this happen before, only in my experience he aimed for Viconia. I'm not too sure as how to counter it or get around it, but I think it has something to do with where the Pc's are placed in the group formation. Try moving Yoshimo's portrait.

If that doesn't work, maybe it's where the character is. You said that Yoshimo was at the stairs but Firkragg still aimed for him, maybe it's because even though he's so far away, he's still on the same side in each battle. Try having him start the battle behind Firkragg.

Hope this helps.

Well, I'm far past this battle by now, but I do have a save from right before I started the fight. I'll try it out to see what happens soon

JrKASperov 10-27-2003 05:26 PM

It's definately the AI, he aims for people for some reason. With me, it was Imoen the first time.

Lord 10-27-2003 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gangrell:
Actually, I have this happen before, only in my experience he aimed for Viconia. I'm not too sure as how to counter it or get around it, but I think it has something to do with where the Pc's are placed in the group formation. Try moving Yoshimo's portrait.

If that doesn't work, maybe it's where the character is. You said that Yoshimo was at the stairs but Firkragg still aimed for him, maybe it's because even though he's so far away, he's still on the same side in each battle. Try having him start the battle behind Firkragg.

Hope this helps.

Well, I'm far past this battle by now, but I do have a save from right before I started the fight. I'll try it out to see what happens soon </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=turquoise>I tried this now, but it was no good. I got Yoshi's fire resistance up using a ring (40% fire resistance, I think), but he still was killed. So I used control+r to ressurect Yoshi, and he was killed just seconds after again by Firkraag's dragon breath!</font>

Raistlin Majere 10-28-2003 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JrKASperov:
It's definately the AI, he aims for people for some reason. With me, it was Imoen the first time.
perhaps he aims for people because the people are trying to kill him [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Zuvio 10-28-2003 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Raistlin Majere:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JrKASperov:
It's definately the AI, he aims for people for some reason. With me, it was Imoen the first time.

perhaps he aims for people because the people are trying to kill him [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=gold>
Well, everytime I fought FurrKragg, he was really enthusiastic about my pork-butts and tators lunch I carried in the BOH. So he aimed for that, instead of people. And what if your party was made up of elves and dwarves? What would he do then? :D
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Xen 10-28-2003 04:16 PM

Well Cloak Of Cheese absors his spitting stuff. :D But i always carry a couple of PfFire items so he can Heal me with his "spitting stuff". :D

9_1_6 10-30-2003 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xen:
Well Cloak Of Cheese absors his spitting stuff. :D But i always carry a couple of PfFire items so he can Heal me with his "spitting stuff". :D
I reckon that is the best method to counter the "spitting stuff".

Ohh how i love the Cloak of Cheese.

Raistlin Majere 10-30-2003 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Zuvio:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raistlin Majere:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JrKASperov:
It's definately the AI, he aims for people for some reason. With me, it was Imoen the first time.

perhaps he aims for people because the people are trying to kill him [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=gold>
Well, everytime I fought FurrKragg, he was really enthusiastic about my pork-butts and tators lunch I carried in the BOH. So he aimed for that, instead of people. And what if your party was made up of elves and dwarves? What would he do then? :D
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</font>[/QUOTE]what are you?! A RACIST or something?!?!? elves and dwarves are people too!! they're just not humans! hmphf! sheesh, the people these days... :D

Lord 10-30-2003 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by Raistlin Majere:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Zuvio:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raistlin Majere:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JrKASperov:
It's definately the AI, he aims for people for some reason. With me, it was Imoen the first time.

perhaps he aims for people because the people are trying to kill him [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=gold>
Well, everytime I fought FurrKragg, he was really enthusiastic about my pork-butts and tators lunch I carried in the BOH. So he aimed for that, instead of people. And what if your party was made up of elves and dwarves? What would he do then? :D
</font>
</font>[/QUOTE]what are you?! A RACIST or something?!?!? elves and dwarves are people too!! they're just not humans! hmphf! sheesh, the people these days... :D
</font>[/QUOTE]<font color=turquoise>They're not people, they're creatures</font> ;) [img]tongue.gif[/img]

xanderwatts 10-31-2003 03:01 PM

Nope. They're people. as are dragons, elves, orcs, fairies, illithids, even Draconis (for ToB scene)

Userunfriendly 10-31-2003 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gangrell:
Actually, I have this happen before, only in my experience he aimed for Viconia. I'm not too sure as how to counter it or get around it, but I think it has something to do with where the Pc's are placed in the group formation. Try moving Yoshimo's portrait.

If that doesn't work, maybe it's where the character is. You said that Yoshimo was at the stairs but Firkragg still aimed for him, maybe it's because even though he's so far away, he's still on the same side in each battle. Try having him start the battle behind Firkragg.

Hope this helps.

i'm pretty sure that like a lot of tactics critters, he aims for the one with the worst armor class...

Link 10-31-2003 06:25 PM

I'm still betting my money on the 'Jesus-that-dude-has-an-ugly-face' reaction Firkraag most definitely will have when coming face to face with Yoshimo.

Lord 10-31-2003 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Userunfriendly:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gangrell:
Actually, I have this happen before, only in my experience he aimed for Viconia. I'm not too sure as how to counter it or get around it, but I think it has something to do with where the Pc's are placed in the group formation. Try moving Yoshimo's portrait.

If that doesn't work, maybe it's where the character is. You said that Yoshimo was at the stairs but Firkragg still aimed for him, maybe it's because even though he's so far away, he's still on the same side in each battle. Try having him start the battle behind Firkragg.

Hope this helps.

i'm pretty sure that like a lot of tactics critters, he aims for the one with the worst armor class... </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=turquoise>No, I already stated that Yoshimo didn't have the worst AC in my group. And LOL Link</font> [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]


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