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patton 07-31-2003 09:42 AM

Hi,

This is my first time playing computerbased RPG:s and using AD&D rules. I have reached chapter 5 and have a couple of questions. The first two are basic and simple but I want to be sure that I have understood the rules correctly.

1. What exactly does it mean when a spell only affect monster with for example 8 hit dice? I guess it has something to do with how much HP it has, but I don’t understand how much 8 hit dice is. Do you roll aD6 and see (max 48 min 8), it doesn’t seem right, or do they have max?
2. Does MR only affect spells that give damage, or does it also affect spells like Hold, Slow etc? If it only affect damage what happens if a monster has 100% MR, will it not be immune to all types of magic? And if it affects all types will I both get a save vs. Spells and a save with my MR (20%)

Sorry if these are stupid questions! I tried to look in the FAQ and search old topics but didn’t find exactly what I’m looking for.

Also I think I have problem with bugs or is it supposed to be like this……

- I play a Cavalier and when I began I could use “Draw upon holy magic”, but recently I discovered that the ability is gone. Don’t know if other abilities are lost. (I have rested)
- When I played trough chapter 4....

*Spoiler*
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....I had problems with both the royal guards and the rebels attacking me (except some royal). And when I had killed the king, the prince tanked me and said I was always welcome and so on. Then he turned into an enemy but didn’t attack me. The exact same thing happened to the remaining Shaugin? Including the priestess where you can heal (she attacked and are know forever gone).

BaRoN NiGhT 07-31-2003 09:58 AM

<font color="cc0099">about the complete ad&d rules guide, try checkin on this thing.but i'll try asking some of yer questions (correct me if im wrong):

1.about dices, for example you get a weapon that hits XdY, that means, whenever you try to hit an enemy, your damage to it will be between X to X*Y.it is random chosen by the computer.

2.IIRC MR only protects you from magic damage.and if u encountered a creature that has 100% MR, why be confused?attack it by normal weapon, or u can lower its resistance multiplly.

about your cavalier, i think its not a bug, if your cavalier has already met bodhi in someplace in chapter 4.b'cause after you achieve the ability to change into something, all of your special abilities previously that u have will be vanished.

oh yeah, welcome to IW.
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[ 07-31-2003, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: BaRoN NiGhT ]

Dundee Slaytern 07-31-2003 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by patton:
Hi,
Hiho, and cheers. http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/wavey.gif
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This is my first time playing computerbased RPG:s and using AD&D rules. I have reached chapter 5 and have a couple of questions. The first two are basic and simple but I want to be sure that I have understood the rules correctly.

1. What exactly does it mean when a spell only affect monster with for example 8 hit dice? I guess it has something to do with how much HP it has, but I don’t understand how much 8 hit dice is. Do you roll aD6 and see (max 48 min 8), it doesn’t seem right, or do they have max?

1 Hit Dice represents a value from one dice for the purpose of calculating HP values. Different creatures use different dices( some use a six-sided dice, some eight-sided)

For example, if a creature is 4 Hit Dice, and uses a six-sided dice, then its' HP value will range from 4-24 HP.
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2. Does MR only affect spells that give damage, or does it also affect spells like Hold, Slow etc? If it only affect damage what happens if a monster has 100% MR, will it not be immune to all types of magic? And if it affects all types will I both get a save vs. Spells and a save with my MR (20%)
Magic Resistance will affect all spells unless the spell ignores Magic Resistance( of which there are a few). Read the Spell Reference from the link in the Forum FAQ to learn everything about spells.

Saving Throws only come into play if the spell bypasses the Magic Resistance. MR is always checked first.
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Sorry if these are stupid questions! I tried to look in the FAQ and search old topics but didn’t find exactly what I’m looking for.
The only stupid question is the one that is not asked. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Disclaimer: Assuming the person asking had tried other means of course. ;)
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Also I think I have problem with bugs or is it supposed to be like this……
- I play a Cavalier and when I began I could use “Draw upon holy magic”, but recently I discovered that the ability is gone. Don’t know if other abilities are lost. (I have rested)

Chapter 4 Spoilers
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If you recall... Jon Irenicus did something to you in Spellhold. It robs you of your Bhaalspawn Abilities.
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- When I played trough chapter 4....
*Spoiler*
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.
.
.
.
.
.
.
....I had problems with both the royal guards and the rebels attacking me (except some royal). And when I had killed the king, the prince tanked me and said I was always welcome and so on. Then he turned into an enemy but didn’t attack me. The exact same thing happened to the remaining Shaugin? Including the priestess where you can heal (she attacked and are know forever gone).

You might have accidentally slained some rebels in your attempt to kill the King. Fret not... they are all evil anyway, so feel free to kill them all for the sake of Humanity. ;)

Dadams1 07-31-2003 10:49 AM

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- When I played trough chapter 4....
*Spoiler*
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.
.
.
.
....I had problems with both the royal guards and the rebels attacking me (except some royal). And when I had killed the king, the prince tanked me and said I was always welcome and so on. Then he turned into an enemy but didn’t attack me. The exact same thing happened to the remaining Shaugin? Including the priestess where you can heal (she attacked and are know forever gone).
You might have accidentally slained some rebels in your attempt to kill the King. Fret not... they are all evil anyway, so feel free to kill them all for the sake of Humanity.
</font>[/QUOTE]Besides, you get some nice items from both the rebel leader AND the king :D .

Pyrenk 07-31-2003 10:53 AM

SPOILER


The King is better to kill, iirc. He has the Impaler and Wave Shaft, while the Prince has the Impaler and a worthless item =p

BaRoN NiGhT 07-31-2003 10:56 AM

<font color="cc0099">if you think that you're super evil, then KILL ALL! :D </font>

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Pyrenk 07-31-2003 11:04 AM

Why is that evil? They are the evil ones, so killing them makes you good. Kill them in the name of justice! [img]graemlins/evilhaha.gif[/img]

Xen 07-31-2003 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
SPOILER


The King is better to kill, iirc. He has the Impaler and Wave Shaft, while the Prince has the Impaler and a worthless item =p

Yes but Upgraded Impaler can kick some serious butt. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Pyrenk 07-31-2003 11:11 AM

Why is the "but" there? You get the Impaler from whichever dies first.

The throwing version of the Impaler is way too cheesy for my tastes.

Xen 07-31-2003 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
Why is the "but" there? You get the Impaler from whichever dies first.

The throwing version of the Impaler is way too cheesy for my tastes.

Becuase of the word Upgraded. [img]smile.gif[/img]

No it is not cheesy. It is ridicilously over-powered. :(

Pyrenk 07-31-2003 11:19 AM

-Ok, it isn't cheesy, but it is ridiculously overpowered, as you said. Apparently my definition of "cheesy" is different from yours. And that of everybody else.

-Oh, I didn't mean that the Impaler was a worthless item, I said that he had the Impaler and a worthless item. The Impaler is a great spear...my F->D will be using it until he gets Ixil's Spike +6.

[ 07-31-2003, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

BaRoN NiGhT 08-01-2003 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
Why is that evil? They are the evil ones, so killing them makes you good. Kill them in the name of justice! [img]graemlins/evilhaha.gif[/img]
<font color="cc0099"> i forgot about that one, then i should say :'if u are super good' [img]tongue.gif[/img]
anyway, Xen and Pyrenk, u 2 get along quite well lately :D
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SixOfSpades 08-01-2003 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
The King is better to kill, iirc. He has the Impaler and Wave Shaft, while the Prince has the Impaler and a worthless item =p
You'll get the Impaler and Wave Blade (the Shaft is somewhere completely different) no matter what you do. And you get two useless items (Gauntlets and Rod), not just two, if you kill the Price....it's been so long since I killed the King that I've forgotten the dynamics of that situation.

Qmanol 08-02-2003 04:10 PM

Hey! Don't call my monk's favourite gauntlets useless! ;)

Pyrenk 08-02-2003 11:12 PM

Oh, the shaft's in the SPOILER
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Unseeying Eye quest, to the north of the second half of the Rift Device?

Gangrell 08-02-2003 11:16 PM

No, it's in the Astral Dimension where the Warden is.

Pyrenk 08-02-2003 11:20 PM

Oh, yeah. I keep confusing the names of items...bah.


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