i ahve a team with me(sorcerer) minsc. jahira..aerie..valygar..and yoshimo
and i need to get one person out who would be best to rid off????

i'm confused for this is my first time fully playing the game so help me.

Is this the first time you've played the game or have you played it several times? (I just don't want to spoil anything for you).

Why do you need to get rid of one person? Who are you thinking of swapping in? Tell us where you are in the game (what chapter, etc), and we shall flood thee with advice, at least some of which should be useful. ;)

Well regardless of what chapter you are I suggest you kick out Aerie. Because she is annoying. Well thats what I would do heh. Give us more info.

Well, I don't want to give out any spoilers or ruin anything for you Spirits, but lets say the decision will be decided for itself in the future ;)

I think you should get rid of Jahira. She isn't a very good fighter, low str, she is nly a medicore spell caster and she leveld up way too slow.

<font color="gold">But then again, Jaheira has some very good spells (ie Iron Skin and Insect Plague), which only Cernd of all the other NPCs has as well.
And don't underrestimate her tanking abilities, I'll tell you that. ;) </font>

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What?! She is a <u>very</u> good NPC becuase :
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• She has Ironskins</font>
• She has Insect Plague</font>
• Give her Belt of X Giant Strength for that matter</font>
• She is very good spellcaster-spells mentioned above and then we have Chaotic Commands(!),Fire Seeds,...</font>
• Oh and if i mention ToB HLA`s,she is one HELL of a character!</font>

Jaheira has some funky-@$$ed quests too! What class are you? that would help me make my decision. I hate valygar though, so just drop him

If you are referring to Spirits forever he said he is a Sorcerer! Read carefully!

If YOU hate Valygar doesn`t mean he is a bad charcater! As a matter a fact he is an <u>excellent</u> character but he is not the one to tank with!
Maybe if you learn how to play with him you will like him more...


*Goes for a walk*

Are you asking this due to wanting to add Imoen back in after you get her back? Or are you just bored with/fed up with/wanting to spice up the party? It would help if you gave more details.

If the former case, then I will not spoil the plot for you (it is MUCH better if you find out on your own). Let's just say that Yoshimo is the most expendable. I mean, you have Valygar that can backstab, and Imoen who can get rid of traps and locks. Other than the trap setting, you really do not need Yoshimo once you get Imoen back.

If the latter, or you plan not to add Imoen back into the party, then look at how well rounded your party is. You have plenty of mage power between you and Aerie, and also have plenty of priestly magic between Aerie and Jaheira (others may hate Aerie, but I think she is especially useful due to her ability to back up both mage and priest). However, without spoiling too much, you may still end up with Yoshimo out of the party when you go to get Imoen, and the only choice (other than going without a thief) is to add Imoen. Thus, back to the paragraph above. Minsc is good enough as main tank, and with the right equipment both Jaheira and Valygar can back him up quite nicely.

However, since based on the above paragraphs, you will end up with 3 mages (Aerie, Imoen, and yourself), then I would use the blitzkreig tactic. Blast everything with wizard spells (of which you have plenty), then send in the tanks to mop up the few things left alive. I played a similar party that you are using (PC sorcerer with Imoen and Aerie backing him up), and nothing could stand in our way. The tanks barely got a lick in.

well i just finshedc killing the shade lord and have gone to the temple district to the ques on the cult of the eyeless and have those characters ii my team and a guy named keldron wants to join me and i got trid of hyoshimo and got him but then i need yoshimo's thieving abilities and had to get rid of keldron so i asked you guy who is the best to get rid of permenatly. and is keldron a useful npc if so then where can i find him again??

Keldorn is one of the BEST NPC`s IMHO.
He has really nice abilities(True Sight,Dispel Magic twice his level) and he can use the best Weapon in SoA.

Go temple district to Order of the radiant heart.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Xen:
Maybe if you learn how to play with him you will like him more...
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<font color="cc0099">yeah, but u have to hide in shadows and backstab a lot, that is if u want to use his multipling damage ability. </font>

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<font color="cc0099">and she also has the ability to raise dead with the Harper's Call.</font>

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Yes i forgot about this one.
Thanks Baron Knight!

<font color="cc0099">no problem.anyway, my name is not 'baron knight', but 'baron night'. ;) </font>

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Hm sorry.

I`ll be hiding in the corner,glowing red. :D

I say go with Keldorn and lose Valagar. Like an earlier poster said, Valagar requires his own tactics that can be annoying for a first-timer. Keldorn is a little more straightforward -- just make good use of his Dispel Magic ability. Plus, it looks like you have a good aligned squad -- Keldorn will enjoy that.

Yes and he can wield the best sword in SoA...

I did something rather foolish with Valygar, I couldn't be bothered to (spoiler) fight Lavok again (this was my second time playing it), so I just handed him into the Cowled Wizards. You'd think that if he can kill two Cowled Wizards, he'd be able to kill me. He fell like a monkey hanging from a tree, that had no arms or legs ... and was constanly under fire from magic missiles.
Personally, I'd ditch Yoshimo, simply because I don't like him, even if he is the best thief in the game.

ok so i should drop valygar and get keldron instead right...but one problem where does he appear if you got him out of your team??he said about some kinghts thing but i don't remember where is he?
and should i add yoshimo? i Dun know cause i'll be getting edwind soon and i'm gonna kick him(yoshimo) out again..so wut should i do...get him or not(yoshimo)

oh yeah... sythe :"Well regardless of what chapter you are I suggest you kick out Aerie. Because she is annoying. Well thats what I would do heh. Give us more info." that's wut he said but i have a question is aerie worth keeping on the team i know she can back up priest spell and mage but is it ince i am a sorcerer???

Aerie is a good character, and before you get Imoen gives you a second mage type to really round out the party (along with a cleric that can turn undead, to supplement Jaheira with her spells). However, once you add Imoen back in, your group will be a bit mage heavy, but still can work nicely (don't really have to conserve magic much, since you have so much of it).

An alternative, if you want to lose Aerie (i.e. assuming that you are romancing Jaheira in this case), then drop her and add Anomen. He does not whine like Aerie, but is annoying in his own way ("I once killed a billion giants with a toothpick"). However, he is a strong cleric and decent tank. The problem with this approach is that you will be the only mage in your group until you get Imoen back. If you do this approach, rush right away to go get her, then do the side quests later (if you plan to add Imoen, this is your best approach anyway; any xp you get while she is gone is xp she is missing out on, and will be behind the party).

Another alternative is add Keldorn. His special abilities allow you to take down mages very easily (***SPOILER*** to get him, go to the temple district; you should see a long display, then be approached at its end by a cleric of Helm. Go see the cleric at the temple of Helm, and you will be on your way to get him). With Keldorn in the party, it gives you another tank, but it also allows you to go a little mage poor in the beginning, since his abilities can take down enemy mages' defenses. Replace Aerie with Keldorn in this case, and then Yoshimo with Imoen when you get her back. You will only have Jaheira as a priest in this case, so make sure you are not mortgaging your healing ability with this choice.

Replacing Valygar with Keldorn means you lose backstabbing, but then are really good at taking down mages (3 mages + Keldorn? ouch! [img]smile.gif[/img] ). Personally, just leaving the party alone (other than replacing Yoshimo with Imoen when the time comes) might be the best option. Valygar can be a little frustrating in learning to use right in the beginning (as a beginner, better to use him as an archer and backstabber; he can be front-line material, but need to know proper equipment/tactics). Like I stated previously, with all of the mage power, better to let loose first then send in the tanks to clean up the leftovers.

Keldorn is an aging paladin serving the Order of the Radiant Heart. If you kicked him out of the party, examine all of Athkatla, and it should be obvious where he hangs out. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I say keep the party like it is. You'll need Yoshimo for his thief skills. Minsc makes a decent tank, and Jaheira and Aerie have priest spells. Plus, Aerie's romance is the easiest female romancable NPC, in my opinion. (Easy to romance, get those dirty thoughts out of yer head. [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

If you need to drop somebody off, I suggest Valygar. Yeah, he's got a lot of depth, but if this is your first game, you need to survive it. ;) Keldorn makes a good replacement, but there ARE a lot of NPCs out there to choose from.

This is your first game. Have fun, play around, experiment. And for the love of God, stop reading this forum! Not only will the game be more fun if you figure everything out for yourself, but you WILL get spoiled on this board, whether you were asking for it or not. I found out the hard way when I first played BG2.

My advice would be drop Aerie. I never felt any need for both Jaheira and Anomen (kind of clerical overkill,) and trust me, you will end up with plenty of magic (Imoen + Sorc) I'd say replace with Keldorn, but really up to you. Honestly, you're probably role-playing through it. Take whoever seems the coolest to you. I like Jan. [img]smile.gif[/img]

who be anomen and jan??? any way are you saying that i should let aerie go and take keldron insteat

Repeat, stop reading, and start playing. ;)

Spirits,

I have to second what Pirengle is saying. Stop reading the board and worrying about who you have on the team. Just play! You will be fine in the end with whoever you pick (as long as you have at least: a couple tanks, someone with trap detection and elimination, a person that can heal, and a wizard (you)).

While not as aggressively as you, during my first go, I worried about getting the right team together, making sure I did all the side quests of the game, and getting the good equipment. The downside of worrying about all that is that you get spoiled regarding some neat parts of the game and you lose some of the role playing. Just sit back, decide who you feel like your character is and bring in party members that work with that feeling or that you think seem interesting. You won't miss much and the upside of not getting spoiled and better role playing is worth it.

Work the boards if (most likely when) you decide to play it a second, third, fourth,... time.

The only thing I think you would look back on at the end of the game and like to have known now is: Keep Yoshimo in your party.

Possibly one other thing: If you have a good party, you'll probably prefer to have had Keldorn. But, that's not too big of a deal.

Just enjoy!

well thatnkx guys....and now time to play!!!!! cya

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