Ok, I've soloed this game with a cleric ranger, went through once with a team of scorcers. ANd have beat it with about every other class imaginable. I want some more challange, what do you poepel think the worst team ever would be made of? Ill use my main char, who will probbably be a strait fighter or something.

That's a tough question, since most of the NPC's are different and good in their own special ways. To start you off, definitely pick up Cernd, he's a shapeshifter, not very good (at least in my opinion), but he gets better with higher levels. For yourself, I suggest a Priest of _____ dualclassed to a thief or something of the sort. Hmm... Other than that, no really bad people are left... I'm sure other people will have suggestions though.

The worst team ever would probably be a group of 6 Beast Masters since they are the poorest excuse for a kit out there.

PC: Half Elf Beast Master (so that you avoid the urge to dual out into something useful)

Rest of party: Cernd, Haer'Dalis, Nalia.

Nobody else, as 4 people in the party is plenty to finish the game (though with this party, who knows). Nalia does the thieving (with LOTS of help) and magic using, Cernd is the priest for healing (except when you actually use him as your backup tank, as he can't cast spells when shapeshifted); no "overbalanced shapeshifter" mod to bail you out. Haer'Dalis has some useful stuff, but not enough to be truly worth it; he just kind of backs up your guy up front or sits back as the archer. It would be difficult, but worth the challenge.

Add in Yoshimo Dualed to a Fighter, and I think you'll have the "Imperfect Party" nailed.

Actually Yosh makes a decent Fighter/Thief.

Exactly. Yoshimo is a solid thief, and is passable once you dual him to fighter. Too useful. Better to limit yourself to the 3 NPCs above.

give your pc opposite stats for what the game suggests, like the lowest possible dexterity for a theif or a super-high wisdom for a mage and a really high intelligence for a cleric. And pick true neutral for your alignment

Yoshimo does make a good Thief->Fighter, but during the Fighter-only part of the transition, he's totally without Thieving skills and you're stuck with Nalia. And, assuming that you took him up to Level 13 or so before the Dual, he's going to be stuck as a low-level Fighter for a long time. And then, just before he emerges from the Dual--UH-oh! :D

Beastmasters are real fun actually
i finished the game with one
give him the staff of rhynn and some good studded leather (plenty out there) and off you go

And if you have the item Upgrade MOD...Fulcrum+4!!!
And it adds Grandmastery!!!

Custom parties would seem like the way to go.

I have my stats party: They all have 18 in one stat and 9 in the rest.

A fighter with 18 STR

A thief with 18 DEX

A barbarian with 18 CON.

A wizard with 18 INT.

A cleric with 18 WIS.

And a sorcerer with 18 CHA.

I guess they will grow powerful enough over time though.

Good Ideas\, i think Ill go through with my main char a beast master, and pick up Nalia, Cernd, and Haer'Dalis, and maybe, just maybe if I have to Yoshi and dual him.

Want a challenge? Solo the game with a Generic fighter. Good Luck !

Actuall a Kensai would be a bigger challenge IMO,becuase he cannot use ANY armor,while the generic fighter can!

The AC of a kensai can be lowered far enough w/o the aid of gauntlets or armor. And having armor only helps in the beginning of the game were the enemies have high THAC0. later on, the benefits of being a kensai (which is the best fighter) far outweighs its disadvantage. IMO, a generic fighter is much more difficult to play then a kensai.

heh painfull
a barbarian wirh 18 con :/

Why would you give a Barb 18 CON and only 9 STR???????????

The same reason I dualed a berserker to a thief, an abjurer to a fighter, a kensai to a druid, and a beast master to a cleric. Puts something new into the game. (Especially the abjurer/fighter. [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

The same reason I dualed a berserker to a thief, an abjurer to a fighter, a kensai to a druid, and a beast master to a cleric. Puts something new into the game. (Especially the abjurer/fighter. [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) </font>[/QUOTE]I've always thought about going from mage to fighter instead of the usual fighter to mage. How did you like it? Did he wind up being a stud?

The same reason I dualed a berserker to a thief, an abjurer to a fighter, a kensai to a druid, and a beast master to a cleric. Puts something new into the game. (Especially the abjurer/fighter. [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) </font>[/QUOTE]Actually the abjurer fighter could put some defence spells on himself and go in solo to kill off everybody without having a scratch himself
Also the Beastmaster Cleric would be a good character since you never could use swords anyway and there are some pretty powerfull staffs in the game
And having only studded leather armor isnt that big of a disadvantage if you take into account the fact that you have a stealth ability that cant be used with any more then studded leather