I have attempted this fight over and over again. I simply cannot do it. Does anyone have any help they can offer? I have lots of protection spells cast (too many to list), which includes protection from evil (which seems to be no use as all his demons attack me anyway), and I summon monsters (not that they help either - they don't have a chance to do anything, one of the Balors only has to sneeze to turn 'em into a puddle). My fighters charge in to attack Slayer-Irenicus, who makes a copy of himself (simulacrum) and then his demons finish 'em off in about 5 hits per character. My party is:

Me (Mage): Lvl 17
Minsc: Lvl 17
Jaheira: Lvl 13 (both
Anomen: Lvl 20
Aerie: Lvl 12 (Mage) and Lvl 13 (Cleric) I think
Imoen: Lvl 17

Any help really, REALLY appreciated!

And if there is anywhere else to recieve help (i.e a guide) I am sorry for wasting your time and humbly ask to be directed there. Thanks once again!

You should be able to take down the demons easily enough at those levels. Do so, then run like hell. Its possible to get out of irenicus's LOS, and then all you have to do is wait for his defenses to wear off. Unfotunately, irenicus slayer change dosent have the side effects yours does, so you'll have to take him down in that form.

If you going to summon anything in this fight, make it something tough. Mordenkainens swords, spring to mind, as do skeleton warriors. Probably wont last long, but every hit helps.

Hm...I've tried focusing my attcks on the demons but...they still win. They take down Jaheira, Minsc and Anomen's HP down way too fast. (Jaheira has her strength boosted to 18 btw, and Anomen has this spell that gives him 23 strength). I have gotten Irenicus down to the point where he runs downwards, which I didn't understand, as he was still uninjured...

Let's see what can be done here. Have you bought those high level scrolls from Ribald? Now would be a good time to use them. ;)

Before the battle:
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• Memorize x3 Mordenkainen's Sword (you or Imoen should have it). Rest, and cast Chain Contingency from a scroll. Place the x3 Swords within it. Condition: Enemy Sighted.</font>
• Have Aerie and Jaheira memorize as many Holy Smites as possible.Same goes for Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting - you and Imoen can cast it.</font>
• Memorize some Improved Hastes. It'll turn Minsc, Anomen & Jaheira into dervishes of destruction.</font>
• Give the Flail of Ages to Anoemn (and a decent shield) and the Silver Sword/Warblade to Minsc. What does J use? Anyway, memorize Ironskins with J.</font>

In the battle:
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• Have your (hasted!) fighters go after Irenicus. Send one Mage with them for the occasional Breach.</font>
• Meanwhile, the Swords will keep the Demons busy (as they will not be able to hurt them). While the Demons are busy, bombard them with Lower Resistance followed by area-of-effect spells - Wilting, Holy Smite, etc...</font>
• Keep a close eye on the battle text. If Jon casts some kind of protection spells, Breach it. Don't bother with direct damage spells on Irenicus. If the mages/Jaheira run out of stoneskin - recast it.</font>

That should really be more than enough. If you still can't make it, let us know.

[ 06-25-2003, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: Alson ]

if you can't handle the demons just ignore them.
Summon some pets to keep the demons occupied for a few seconds and use this time to run away and hide down a staircase (cast haste on you party before opening the door)
Now wait for Irenicus spell protections to wear off and send in a summon every now and then to make him waste his high level spells on those. Be wary though that the summons do not lure him to you.
After some time you can now face unprotected Irenicus who has run out of spells yourself and do whatever you want to him.

Um...oops? *sheepish grin*

A few problems...I don't have lower resistance spells, no high level scrolls (apart from timestop and absolute immunity) but the swords and contingency shouldn't be a problem.

Just one thing I have to mention - in one of my attempts I cast the sword spell and it dies instantly....?? Whats up with that?

Thanks a lot for the strategy, I'll give it a go a little later! Still a little frustrated from the other tries, need to cool down a little. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Thanks for the help!

Jaheira uses one of the magical scimitars you get in the game...erm...its appearance is that of one of Drizzt's scimitars...can't remember its name now...

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Maybe someone casts Death spell. It kills the sword(s).

The Scimitair you are mentioned is probably Belm+2.</font>

I think Belm is the one from the Djinnis at Trademeet, correct?
If so, that isn't the one...I think I got it in the Underdark...not very sure though...

Yeah, this one's a toughie. First, make sure you distribute a bunch of heal potions to everyone's quick slots. And make sure Anomen has one or two group heal spells memorized. Also have Anomen memorize several raise undead spells. Do the usual buffing up before you start, have Anomen summon some skeleton warriors and Jaheira some polar bears. Haste them, and stick them all up by the door so they'll be in position to attack once JI and the demons appear. when the fight starts, back everyone off and fire ranged attacks and spells at the demons while your summons go to work. When the last of the summons have been killed, lure the remaining demons to the bottom of the map while you pick away at them. Don't deal with JI at this point, just keep your people at a safe distance and focus on getting rid of the demons.

Once they're done, get everyone healed up and go after JI. Stay out of his sight and harass him with any summoned monster spells you have left. Get him to use up his spells on the summons. Cast a fresh set of buffing spells on your party. Cast spells to remove his protections while you send your best fighter after him. Heal often, and do tag team on him, sending in a fresh fighter when someone gets too damaged. It's easy to get him to chase one person while the others harass him from a distance. When he finally is in his Slayer form and has no more magic left, then you've got him. Cast group heal, surround him, and unload!

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Before the fight starts use summons. Imoen can use the Project Image trick if you don`t mind eating cheese. If you have Spell Striggers load them with Breach...Jaheira can cast Ironskins and Nature`s Beauty. Aerie can do a little buffing.Have Aerie and Jaheira memorize as many Holy Smites.do this with Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting. And make sure you have (Improved) Haste memorized.</font>

[ 06-25-2003, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: Xen ]

Can't you simply PfE 10'r to bee invisible to the demons, and then smack Jon's a-I mean posterior?

Nope. PfE just protects you from the stuff you gate in yourself.

Don't forget about potions! Invulnerability ones are sprinkled liberally throughout the testing rooms, as are giant strength potions.

If you have a save BEFORE Suldanessellar, I suggest you start back from there. Yeah, you'll have to do most of Chapter 7 again. But you'll have a better idea of what to purchase and which spells to prepare. If you do decide to reload...

--Joluv in the Copper Coronet sells a useful mace, +2/+5 to demons.
--Suggested potion shopping list: magic blocking/shielding, strength, storm giant strength, agility, fortitude, invulnerability, clarity, and the all-important extra healing.
--Suggested spell shopping list: Protection from Magical Energy/Weapons, True Sight, Khelben's Warding Whip, Mantle/Improved Mantle, Mordenkainen's Sword, Ruby Ray of Reversal, Summon Djinni/Efreeti/Hakeashar, Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting, Maze, Simulacrum, Chain Contingency, Spell Trap, Spellstrike, Time Stop. Be careful! Some of these scrolls can only be found in certain places, and if you miss them, they're gone forever. (Unless you have ToB.)
--Suggested gear list: Everyone should have +3 or better weapons. Your fighters should have -10 AC. Your tank should have -15 AC, at least. Your mages/thieves should have at least -5 AC. Check Cromwell to make sure you've upgraded everything.
--Make one last pass through Athkatla to make sure you haven't missed any experience to be had. ;)
--In the tree fight, don't be afraid to unload everything you have at him.
--Pick your memorized spells carefully for the second (and last) fight. If you don't think you're going to use a spell, skip it for something you know you're going to use.
--Rest to rememorize before touching the door in hell.
--Buff, prepare, and make a game plan before touching the door.

About halfway through the fight, Irenicus will zip away and leave you with a Misled image and the demons. You can either do what Faceman suggested and summon stuff to keep the demons occupied while the party whacks the stuffing out of Irenicus, or you can do what Dobian suggested and kill all the demons before dispelling the Irenicus illusion, rebuffing somewhat, and putting the smackdown on the real Irenicus. Just don't try to rest after everyone's come out to play--you can't. ;)

<FONT FACE="Arial" COLOR="#00ff00">this is a real cheese: but, some people dont like using it.but its worth a try, if you get too frustrated battle-ing irenicus
simply cast numerous skull traps near rhe door (about 10), then cast protection from magic energy to all your party.after you r ready, then call irenicus to come instantly.when he comes, the skull trap triggers, and sends his life to 'near death'.he'll talk a moment.then focus only on irenicus, and send some fighters to kill him.-end-.</FONT>

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http://www.battle.net/images/battle/...rbhireable.gif rpg's making me crazyyy...

1. to the very south opposite of the door of tears lay all traps you can. irenicus will teleport there during the fight.

2. cast true sight.
3. cast remove fear.
4. insert last tear and have some +3 weapons ready.

fight goes like this : irenicus babbles some threats and summons his demons. melee them down, 2 chars of yours vs. 1 demon. mages can use mordies sword or tensers transformation. if still needed cast stoneskin + mirror image. dont cast any aggressive spells here as demons resist most times.
meanwhile irenicus casts chain contingency (or smth like that) and is nearly invulnerably protected. he cast simulacrum then but your true sight dispells this. i never encountered him casting instant killer or area effect damage spells at this point of the fight. he teleports to the south soon while you are killing the demons. traps are triggered and he will suffer. they always deal damage, no protection against (maybe stoneskin but he hadn't cast it).

anyway, do you really have trouble finishing demons ? are you playing 'insane difficulty' ? didn't you get crom faeyr or celestial fury or maybe even the allmighty blackrazor ?

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ugh i just read your party and your npcs. thats quite some selftorture (to me).
NOW i know why the battle is difficult ;)

[ 06-26-2003, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Bloodtitan ]

I've faced him about 4 times, with diffrent parties but with mostly fighters... i've never had no problems killing him... i've always found him way to easily.. I had my fighters pump the shit out of the demons and jaheira and aerie cast some spells and it's all done..no potions no nothin

Well, I beat him. Finally. Had to do it twice cos I lost Anomen's stuff, but I did it. On ToB now, finally. I love it, really great. Thanks for all the help! I really, REALLY appreciate it. Oh, and for the record, Jaheira's scimitar was Scimitar +3, Water's Edge. ;)

And Imoen was a lvl 14 mage...argh, woops...nm, I beat him!

Congratulations [img]graemlins/shine.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img]

lol, thanks. I can see why some people think he's easy now. (Couldn't before!) But he changes every save game. The first time I beat him he was pretty hard, but I lost Anomen's stuff as I didn't pick it up after I resurrected him in the battle. The second time I fought he was really easy. Strange...

why not just cast a death spell to kill his summons?

I don't think they are summons...and if they're treated that way I don't think they should be...I mean, Balors and Glabraezu's??(sp?)...

There are two types of summoned critters: Summoned, and Gated.

Summoned creatures are your basic monsters--Kobolds, Ogres, Carrion Crawlers, Wyverns, Aerial Servants, Fire Elementals, Mountain Bears, Skeleton Warriors, Invisible Stalkers, Nishruu.....etc, etc, etc.

Gated creatures are unique in that they are summoned through a demonic or celestial Gate. These include things like Cacofiends, Pit Fiends, (Fallen) Devas and (Fallen) Planetars.

Summoned creatures, no matter what they are, where they're from, or what kind of immunities or resistances they have, will automatically meet instant death upon meeting a hostile Death Spell. Nothing can stop it; not even your own Simulacrum or Project Image, even while under the protection of Spell Immunity: Necromancy.

Gated creatures, however, can walk through Death Spell after Death Spell and not feel a thing.

Also note that the game likes to cheat by "creating" monsters instead of actually Summoning them. If you actually SEE the enemy casting Monster Summoning II and you SEE the group of Worgs appear, then yes, you can zap 'em all with a Death Spell. But if the creature is placed via a script (such as, say, the Elemental Lich), then the creature is not flagged as "Summoned," and therefore is immune to Death Spell if it's Level 9 or higher.

<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="2" COLOR="#00ff00">i also heard that in one part of the game with the illithids, they are categoried as summoned creature.i forget, maybe its in the mind flyer city, or some part of the place in the underworld.</FONT>

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Easiest way: install also ToB and do as many quests as possible, get into as many fights as possible and so on. Grab that XP [img]smile.gif[/img]

Frankly, the fight with Irenicus was over even before it really started. I figured lately to play some BG again, so installed BG1, BG1: ToTSC, BG2: SoA and BG2: ToB. I also added some modules, like the.. uh.. what's it called, improved encounters? To have some better random fights then the original pointless ones. And some other modules as well (Tactics, Ascension, Redemption, that Improved Items one). Did as many quests as possible, i.e. grabbed some NPC in party and did all of his/her quests, then booted him/her and took next one. Sure, the game got kinda long (by the in-game days) but doesn't matter.

I didn't even do it all, still had to do quests for 2-3 NPC's, when I was lvl 29 already and faced Irenicus in Abyss. Used the usual tactic, sending the mages/ranged people tad back at the start and tanks taking down the demons. Eh, that went fast, before I even blinked the eyes for 3 times, they were all chopped down. Only Irenicus was left. He did his usual teleport-kinda trick, but that wasn't much of a help. As soon as he landed, I had him stripped of most of his protections and my main tank - my char - was hitting him hard and fast already. He didn't get any spells off on his own, only the contingencies and triggers and such were working, everything rest was knocked away. So he did another move, another teleport, but had already no protections on, literally. Just before he landed, Imoen used Time Stop and on his landing spot, for good measure, some Abi Dahlzims were places, with some other goodies. I overdid it, I suppose, since he probably had anyway only couple of HP's left...

He was dead as soon as Time Stop wore off and he landed, basically he landed flat on his belly and started to scream. Good for me, I hate the long lasting, annoying battles.

Of course, can do it well without ToB as well, done it more times then I can remember [img]smile.gif[/img] But my basic tactics was always the same: make sure all are Hasted, this will allow to reposition them fast. Mages/ranged chars fall back as soon as the fight starts to take better position and get out of melee range, while melee people take demons on. I never worried about Irenicus that much right at the start, as he seems to be more content on watching your struggle with demons. Minsc, Jaheira and Anomen can basically thwack them. As soon as ranged chars or casters have taken the place, let them cast needed spells - True Sight and such, heal the tanks if they need. Learn the positions to what Irenicus will go during the fight, easier to position then.

And then it's the basics - keep his illusionary chars down (True Sight), strip protections, melee's should be stuck on him like cheap suit at the prom night. Haven't done it in the "old" way for a long time, so can't give any details, but I am sure here's plenty of people who can, from tactics to those pesky spell names I never remember (bah, spells-schmells, fighter needs no such stuff!) :D

Well, my tactic was slightly different. I summoned some creatures before putting in the final tear, and when Jonny appeared I moved everyone back. That way, most of the demons were mincing up my monsters while two ran after my party. My tanks handled them easily and finished off the other demons just as easily (by now all summoned creatures were dead) and only Irenicus was left. I stripped his protections and used the hit-and-run tactic, switching characters that got too hurt with healthier ones. It worked, and at the end I let everyone rip up on him. Game, set, match to me! :D

EDIT: Oh yeah, if you check my stats at the top, I was no way near lvl 29 ;)

[ 06-30-2003, 07:13 AM: Message edited by: slicer15 ]