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Bernardo 06-17-2003 04:00 AM

I still have to finish BG2 SoA and ToB and I'm playing as good.
once finished I'd like to try playing as evil.
I just wanted to know what allgnment do you prefer.

TaSSaDaR 06-17-2003 04:08 AM

It is a strange thing... In real life, I am undoubtedly evil. examples are many, and listing them here is an offtopic. So the logical outcome would be that I have to prefer evil-aligned chars in RPGs...

It is not so. Almost all of my games I play a good char (or neutral, with a solid good bias). Most of the RPGs are disigned for good characters (Fallout series are an exception... sweeping clean all the California was great [img]smile.gif[/img] ), having an overwhelming number of good quests, yielding major experience points just for good deeds and such... It is not a fair play. And I just want to play a game and enjoy it, not think of how my evil char would do it, and every time sacrifising major quests and items just because the quest-giver sounds not so rich and promising of a reward (Umar Hills quest as an example... Delon the poor boy. No evil guy would ever listen to him IMHO...)

So, the answer to your question is this: I play goodies.

[ 06-17-2003, 04:10 AM: Message edited by: TaSSaDaR ]

Luvian 06-17-2003 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by TaSSaDaR:
It is a strange thing... In real life, I am undoubtedly evil. examples are many, and listing them here is an offtopic. So the logical outcome would be that I have to prefer evil-aligned chars in RPGs...

It is not so. Almost all of my games I play a good char (or neutral, with a solid good bias). Most of the RPGs are disigned for good characters (Fallout series are an exception... sweeping clean all the California was great [img]smile.gif[/img] ), having an overwhelming number of good quests, yielding major experience points just for good deeds and such... It is not a fair play. And I just want to play a game and enjoy it, not think of how my evil char would do it, and every time sacrifising major quests and items just because the quest-giver sounds not so rich and promising of a reward (Umar Hills quest as an example... Delon the poor boy. No evil guy would ever listen to him IMHO...)

So, the answer to your question is this: I play goodies.

Yeah right... I really doubt you know what being evil really mean. How many person have you killed/maimed/tortured yet?

Bernardo 06-17-2003 04:13 AM

Although I like good alignment I'd like even to try making Minsc go mad doing evil things...

Bernardo 06-17-2003 04:16 AM

I didn't quite kill any good man for now... not ither tortured anibody!!

Agent Smith 06-17-2003 08:59 AM

I normally play good, but there is one time when i tried to use my good party to killing every single person in that area map...

Raistlin Majere 06-17-2003 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by Luvian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TaSSaDaR:
It is a strange thing... In real life, I am undoubtedly evil. examples are many, and listing them here is an offtopic. So the logical outcome would be that I have to prefer evil-aligned chars in RPGs...

It is not so. Almost all of my games I play a good char (or neutral, with a solid good bias). Most of the RPGs are disigned for good characters (Fallout series are an exception... sweeping clean all the California was great [img]smile.gif[/img] ), having an overwhelming number of good quests, yielding major experience points just for good deeds and such... It is not a fair play. And I just want to play a game and enjoy it, not think of how my evil char would do it, and every time sacrifising major quests and items just because the quest-giver sounds not so rich and promising of a reward (Umar Hills quest as an example... Delon the poor boy. No evil guy would ever listen to him IMHO...)

So, the answer to your question is this: I play goodies.

Yeah right... I really doubt you know what being evil really mean. How many person have you killed/maimed/tortured yet? </font>[/QUOTE]but lets remember that there are many different kinds of evil. not all evil (wo)men kill/torture/maim. stealing, dealing drugs(especially to children), sabotage and vandalizm are all fine examples of modern day evil acts. im not saying that TaSSaDaR is evil, i even doubt it, but it could be. if so, then shame on you TaSSaDaR :D !

IronDragon 06-17-2003 11:47 AM

No matter how hard I try I just can’t force myself to play an evil character. I hate ever minute of it. I keep wanting to donate money to needy good temples and rescue small children and animals. Worse is the fact I can’t stand any of the evil NPC’s.

Zuvio 06-17-2003 12:00 PM

I role-played every alignment with low to high succes, chaotic neutral & true neutral being the lowest and I really dont have a favorite. @ char creation I simply click on whatever alignment my mouse hovers over and take that one. Then I play to find out new stuff and new combos and such. I mean, lets face it, having a chaotic evil alignment doesn't exclude you from ANY quest in the game, despite the fact that you are a complete unstable, homocidal psycho.

The only situation where I would want to pick a certain alignment is when I need to buy the good items ASAP from the early merchants, and then I naturally pick SUPER-HUMANLY-AMAZINGLY-FRIENDLY-NEIGHBOURHOOD-GOODNESS.

Dace De'Briago 06-17-2003 04:29 PM

Neutral evil is a very good alignment to roleplay, especially if you are a powergamer.

It basically requires you to roleplay selfishness, and ask yourself 'what is in this for me' to every quest (and there is usually some good reward at the end...). So it is posible to consistently roleplay an 'evil' alignment and reap substantial rewards :D

Vedran 06-17-2003 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Luvian:
Yeah right... I really doubt you know what being evil really mean. How many person have you killed/maimed/tortured yet?
Great. Inspire him. Inspire an evil person.

Luvian 06-17-2003 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Raistlin Majere:
but lets remember that there are many different kinds of evil. not all evil (wo)men kill/torture/maim. stealing, dealing drugs(especially to children), sabotage and vandalizm are all fine examples of modern day evil acts. im not saying that TaSSaDaR is evil, i even doubt it, but it could be. if so, then shame on you TaSSaDaR :D !
Stealing, sabotage and vandalism are NOT evil acts, those are chaotic acts, as it is against the law.

Robin Hood was a thief, was he evil? How about Imoen, Nalia, or Jan?

Stratos 06-18-2003 03:43 PM

Playing evil have never appealed to me: I don't take any pleasure in maiming and torturing people, not even in a CRPG, and if I want to be sinister then I'm direct that towards my predominantely evil enemies but I have no problem being the most powerful and "badest" MF around and being that is just as important as rescuing people or whatever the current quest is about.

Edit: So I'm never violent to anyone innocent except that Neeber or Noober or whatever his name is, 'cause the way he p****s off a would be hero like me he can't be up to any good.

[ 06-18-2003, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Stratos ]

selena 06-19-2003 05:33 AM

I have great success playing good parties. I love rescuing things, being nice, and having people think we're fabulously wonderful. I tried (briefly) playing a druid, but I cant get my head round this balance thing, and she ended up being wonderfully brilliantly good. So that didnt work. The 2 games I've gotten furthest with have been good parties (the completed one had a good priest, minsc, anomen, nalia, aerie and jaheira). Now I'm playing a neutral evil bard, and I'm already struggling to not give money randomly to imprisoned kids and the like. However, I do have a low party rep for the first time ever! (mainly because we recruited Viconia) and Minsc is not happy. But it's him or that stinky dwarf, and I cant stand Korgan.

Bloodtitan 06-20-2003 03:35 AM

to be honest : allthough there are only 3 evil npcs in bg2 they are the best you can get. all the do-gooders suck. really suck. example ? most people love minsc an call him superior fighter ... lol. a "fallen" ranger (cant cast spells) with only 2 points to be distributed in all weapons and styles. pure warrior = 5 points go for korgan.
what about good npc mages ? 3 multi or dualclass women (as lame as charlies angels ...) and no specialist ... hooray ! imoen your tiny sister, annoying voice and childish comments. aerie, no hitpoints no brain silly attributes, jack-of-all-master-of-none. and nalia, USELESS thief and thus slowed in mage lvls. all suck to me. what do we have on the evil side? edwin the conjurer. well he cant use divination but i never missed it. he can cast !8! spells per lvl in later stages, 3 more than these goodie amateurs.
last comparison : healer in your party. ok, jaheira makes a nice fighter healer and can use some spells to buff herself. forget about anomen, he has too low wisdom and how early in the game do you want to finish his +wis-quest? i thought so ... and cernd ? xp-stealer, stops to lvl at 14 (i think) and needs 1.5 mio ! xp for next up. not good. i could list aerie here lol. look at her stats and you know what i mean. but we have a not-so-nice lady here : viconia. pure cleric only healer with 18 wisdom nice romance nice npc-quests as all other evils have too.

so go and create yourself a dualclass thief or multiclass (not tripleclass) and play with an evil party of 4. easy game, fast lvling. whatabout alignment and how to play evil ? viconia sets your reputation 2 points lower as long as she is with you. i suggest to do all the quests and grab the xp and loot. if some quests will reward you with rep-up try to find a single commoner or such and kill him/her. best evil reputation is 5 or 4, if you got 3 or lower the "cowled fools" will teleport in and try to kill you. early in the game they are too strong for you and your party and there is no need to face them or any advantage in it if you win. evil is best in singleplayer (except one situation .. guess it ).

if you want to play a good party create a group yourself (maybe pickup a romance char). to me heroes should be heroes and not lucky-survivors of a harder battle.

Link 06-20-2003 05:53 AM

Good and evil are both relative. It all depends on your definition of evil. If you think slaughtering people is evil, then you may be playing with a good alignment, but with an information screen that says: "Total number of kills in party: 438" then you're evil as hell.. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Nerull 06-20-2003 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Bloodtitan:
so go and create yourself a dualclass thief or multiclass (not tripleclass) and play with an evil party of 4. easy game, fast lvling. whatabout alignment and how to play evil ? viconia sets your reputation 2 points lower as long as she is with you. i suggest to do all the quests and grab the xp and loot. if some quests will reward you with rep-up try to find a single commoner or such and kill him/her. best evil reputation is 5 or 4, if you got 3 or lower the "cowled fools" will teleport in and try to kill you. early in the game they are too strong for you and your party and there is no need to face them or any advantage in it if you win. evil is best in singleplayer (except one situation .. guess it ).
Actually, the best rep for an evil party is 6. This gets you to be disliked, all evil NPCs will be happy (6 and lower to be happy), any neutral NPCs will be neutral (rep 6 to 18 to be neutral), and this is one point above the level that you have a chance of having the guards coming after you.

Always ask for reward, and keep pestering them for reward ("I don't care, as long as I get paid"). This will cut out a good number of the reputation rewards that you get for doing quests (they don't go talk about you afterwards as being a nice guy, since you were being such a pain the whole time asking for money).

Bloodtitan 06-21-2003 02:26 AM

nerull is right if you plan to pickup a neutral char (jaheira maybe). i suggested to play with rep 4-5 if you got evils only, oh and you will get a 4th evil npc if you play ToB.

Sever 06-23-2003 08:47 AM

No matter what alignment i choose in a BG2 game, my actions always tend to stray towards Chaotic Good. This is not helped by the fact that the game really seems to have poorly thought out evil dialogue options and events and xp penalties for the evil paths. In order for me to enjoy an evil game, i have to really improvise on the roleplaying side of things.

Nerull 06-23-2003 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sever:
No matter what alignment i choose in a BG2 game, my actions always tend to stray towards Chaotic Good. This is not helped by the fact that the game really seems to have poorly thought out evil dialogue options and events and xp penalties for the evil paths. In order for me to enjoy an evil game, i have to really improvise on the roleplaying side of things.
I agree. I think that maybe evil should lose out on some xp, but have that path be more profitable in the short term (i.e. evil is looking for power and wealth, so have them be able to accumulate both more readily than the good person who sacrifices such things to do the right thing). In other words, good gets better feel good rewards (rep for better prices and a little better xp), but evil gets more wealth and magic (i.e. more opportunities to sell people out, play two sides off against one another for profit, etc.). Neutral should get a mix of both, depending on the situation.

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There is one quest for which the evil guys, if they play in character, really get screwed on. The whole dragon egg quest is just one big losing battle for evil guys if you kill Sola. You have to show mercy to a guy (out of character) to get the fake eggs to be able to give them to the demon for your own profit. There should be a method of getting another set of fake eggs that is just downright nasty (killing some innocent creatures who are the components for the fake eggs). Or even better, some way to play one of the other houses off against House Despana, where you can come out on top if you play your cards right. I wouldn't mind seeing a mod that did that.

Bloodtitan 06-24-2003 05:56 AM

this is not what i consider to be bad for evil roleplaying. at least you behave like a drow and convince a drow to betray his city and family and his whole life so far. let him live in disgrace and destroyed his life.

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i meant it is unfair to the evil players to have them sacrifice one of their ( much too few ) companions in the tear-of-bhaal-scene. well this is evil of course but i'd say only chaotic evil. lawful evils or neutral evils try to get the best out of the world around them in every point, and if it means to travel with other powerful evils, they do so. to me this is even more chaotic neutral than neutral evil. sucks.

[ 06-24-2003, 05:57 AM: Message edited by: Bloodtitan ]


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