I just came out of the Underdark with my Cavalier and Tashia. I am level 18,so that means that I have TU level 16.


Can i do it?


*EDIT* TU=Turn Undead */EDIT*

[ 05-02-2003, 08:56 AM: Message edited by: Xen ]

You need to be able to turn undead at level 20 to explode liches, but level 16 might be enough to get them to lose morale. And scared liches can't cast spells. ;)

Isn't paladin's TU level three levels lower than his real level? AFAIK, yes. So your TU level is 15? Am I correct?

A Paladin's TU level is two levels lower than his character level.

Heres a queestion, what lvl would you have to be to turn a Demi-lich [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

[img]tongue.gif[/img] Demi-liches cannot be turned ,.. or they can .. but even a cleric would have to be wat over lvl 40 IIRC

First number = fear
Second number = death

Lich<font color="#3D2F1B">.......................</font>-11<font color ="#3D2F1B">......</font>-18
Elemental Lich<font color ="#3D2F1B">.........</font>-20<font color ="#3D2F1B">......</font>-27
Shade Lich<font color ="#3D2F1B">..............</font>-20<font color ="#3D2F1B">......</font>-27
Fire Lich<font color ="#3D2F1B">.................</font>-20<font color ="#3D2F1B">......</font>-27
Demi-Lich<font color ="#3D2F1B">...............</font>-??<font color ="#3D2F1B">.......</font>-??
Kangaxx Lich<font color ="#3D2F1B">...........</font>-??<font color ="#3D2F1B">.......</font>-??
Kangaxx Demi Lich<font color ="#3D2F1B">....</font>-27<font color ="#3D2F1B">......</font>-34

I spent twenty minutes of my life editing this $#$*!Ł@ :mad: HTML. I hope you appreciate it a bit...

[ 05-02-2003, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Vedran ]

the demi-lich can be destroyed by TU ?! Are you sure ?

That's just the chance that the critter can be scared or blown up. I've tried TU on liches with a level 25 cleric and it didn't work. But if you're a high enough level to even have a chance at turning a lich into silly putty, no doubt you can cast Sunray or False Dawn as a cleric or beat the snot out of them with Daystar or Carsomyr as a paladin.

BTW, thanks for the chart, Vedran. :wave:

The only situation where I managed to kill a lich with Turn Undead (testing is not counted) is in Watcher's Keep (Throne of Bhaal). The level with mottled globes (Lich appears, *poof*, XP gained).

Feel free to add missing information to the chart. This is the full version:

[ 06-29-2003, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: Vedran ]

thats a pretty handy chart, thanks vedran!

It is possible to turn a demi-lich. think about it, TU is a channeling process between the cleric/paladin and his/her diety. Once the cleric/palidan becomes stronger and reaches high levels, the connection with their diety becomes stronger (TU lvl goes up). Even a demi lich cannot take a blast from the gods if it is strong enough. So if the cleric is high enough, and is turning undead with the power of his/her diety, then any undead can fall ;)

Er... my Paladin had a level 32 TU, and Greater Mummies did not even feel a thing. I ran circles around them, and while the Skeleton Warrior companions all eventually crumbled to the floor, the Greater Mummies were not affected in any way.

Did you personally conduct a test to verify all these numbers, or are they just an estimate?

ADD] Bone Golems are NOT Undead.

[ 05-02-2003, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

The possible reason is that there are multiple CRE files for the same creature (though there are only two for Greater Mummy). The one I tested with is MUMGRE01. Other than that, I cannot explain it.
(Goes to test...)

Ah, yes, the Bone Golem. I found it weird that it doesn't react even to supreme levels of Turn Undead. Then I loaded Near Infinity and found out that it is actualy "gianthumanoid", not "undead". That's why it has XXes in the table, I intended to remove it but forgot.

And yes, the whole table is the product of my testing. It was much typing into the console...

Dundee, do you have any mod that could change the greater mummies? I checked them again (both MUMGRE01 and RIFTCR03) and my former value is correct.

Interesting. I redid the test with liches, and got a bit different results. Can anyone enlighten me?
Is there any possible modifier that alters these values? A patch? A mod? Game difficulty? Perhaps I am mistaking with my test? I took Anomen and cast Prot from Undead upon him. Then I kept spawning liches and gradually raising his level until there was an effect.

Any help is welcome.

<pre><font size=2>
Demi-lich (DEMILICH) -30 -34*
Deril lich (CEDELICH) -xx -xx**
Elemental lich (HLLICH) -23 -27
Elemental lich (LICHEL01) -23 -27
Fire lich (FIRLCH01) -23 -27
Lich (DPMON02) -?? -13***
Lich (GRVLCH01) -22 -26
Lich (LICH01) -11 -18
Kangaxx lich (HLKANG) -xx -xx****
Kangaxx demi-lich (HLDEMI) -30 -34
Shade lich (HLSHADE) -23 -27
</font></pre>

*Level 30 frightened him. Levels 31, 32 and 33 did as well. But level 34 and more have no effect? What?
**Impervious to Turn Undead? Due to script, perhaps.
***Dream sequence, doesn't matter.
****Cannot be killed with Turn Undead, due to script.

(pre) tags... Ain't I smart? :D

Hmmmm.. I feel so stupid. I know what a lich is etc. But what are the definitions of Kangaxx and Demi-Lichs? Deril-Lichs? Shade Lichs?

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Kangaxx is a really strong lich. he is the demi-lich. the Shade Lich is a old mage, along with the Elemental Lich, who killed Kangaxx for fear he would take over the world. they spread out his body, and turned themselves into liches (who are immortal) to protect his body so no one could ressurect him. Each of them gaurds part of his body. The Demi-Lich is the ultimate lich form, it is bassicaly a floating skull with a special ability, trap the soul. its like a imprisonment but he shoots it out.

? At that time, I had no mod which affected the Greater Mummies.

Deril is one lich's name.

Dundee, could you test it now?
Could Improved Undead part of the Tactics mod do that. I believe you when you say you didn't have a mod, just wondering.

I do not have my CD. I lent it to a friend so that he could play SoA-ToB.

Dundee and Vedran,

Perhaps there is a cap to a Paladin's TU level? Vedran did his test with a cleric, so perhaps the inability of Dundee's pally to affect greater mummies was due to some max level for paladins.

Also Dundee, how many rounds was your Paladin using the turn undead ability, the ability only checks for success once per round, so it could take awhile for it to kick in.

Also a question for both of you; were you reaching high levels using ToB only, or did you have one of the XP cap removers (maybe some of them don't properly manage the TU level?)

I like what it says in the journal "In the futureI should beware of strange floating heads..."

ToB only.
I am going to see if a Paladin can do it.

I loath Unofficial XP-Cap removers, and am using ToB to attain the levels that my Paladin has. It cannot be due to a cap on TU for Paladins though... since I can explode Liches( including the Elemental/Shade/etc...) just fine.

I can usually explode Liches within the first round. I can run in circles around the Greater Mummies for a turn and get nothing though... ...