SPOILERS-if YOU ARE PLAYING THE GAME FIRST TIME DO NOT READ!!


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Ok...when you change into Slayer it is useless...

Tell me 1 thing wich is good about it:


Bad sides:
-constantly taking damage
-reduces your HPs to 100 and AC to -18
-if you are Bhaal`s vesille to long you just die


Good sides:

Immunity to imprisonment BUT we have SI:Abjuration or Potion ot Scroll Of Freedom...

C`mon where do you see Imprisonmnet anyway?Ok Liches and Demi-Liches but they are also PfUndead Scrolls out there..


So bassiclly..NONE


Wanna share opinions?
Cheers [img]smile.gif[/img]

this could be interesting. i've personally not used the Slayer enough to know much about it. i usually do it just for fun if my party dies and i'm left alone, in which case i reload after the battle is over anyway :/

The slayer changes your strength and DEX to 25 and gives you great THACO, and can you really be complaining about having an AC of -18??? I'm not too far in the underdark (have gone through the Beholder dungeon) and the slayer has already saved my life once, and it would have been twice in the beholder place, but I didn't want to lose any more rep, so I just finally did after about 30 tries.

I've also already faced the imprisonment spell about 3 or 4 times (including the beholder place) and it has caused me a lot of trouble.

It's only fitting that you start to take damage pretty soon because the Slayer is so powerful. I don't know if you are soloing, but when you have a party, the Slayer is definitely an advatage to your normal PC at the time that you get it.

Well, if you're evil, but you have too high rep, you could keep turning into it and back to get less rep. (Personaly I'd keep the Bhall powers ;) )

[ 04-30-2003, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: RoryD ]

OK.It boosts your DEX&STR on 25 but there are many itmes to boost it:DUHM,CROM FAYER,BELT OF X STRENGTH,RIGHTEOUS MAGIC...

Oh I forgot something...you say If i am playing with a party(wich i am) it can save your ass. I agree but if you are roleplaying a Paladin for instance,would you really change into Ravager?

But then VS Imprisonment we have :Enrage too...

Well, that's the entire point, hon. Your alignment can change over the course of the game. A good character can be tempted to the dark side with all of Irenicus' dreams of power, and then the slayer change that freaks Bodhi. And what evil character wouldn't dream of having that power?

The Slayer, IMO, is not meant as a quick reputation reducer or cheap alternative to Imprisonment.

Slayers kick butt you know why reaad below

Okay now you are reading below. First time I stumbled onto a drow party I changed into a slayer and kicked their butts all of them couple priesstess fighters. But personally I would have loved to keep those Bhaal spawn powers that were given to you. I agree with you Xen slayer isn't the best thing in the world but it can come in handy in very sticky situtaitons. I always try to avoid changing into a slayer my rep is low enough as it is! Besides why does it lower your rep if you are soloing?

ever used slayer when your a sorc or mage? dont think so [img]tongue.gif[/img] if you did, you would know how good it feels to solo a dragon in pure melee using a sorcerer. ;)

it might be useless for fighter and other types, but for us casters with trouble fighting in melee and staying alive, it works wonders. I usually only use it for dramatic battles, ex. dragon, bodhi, irenicus, etc. etc. (i dont just use it on every ole battle i have trouble with.)

I agree that a Paladin wouldn't do it, but I also like the way Pirengle put it: with all the temptations of power from Irenicus, a good aligned character can change. The slayer is a very tempting thing. My character is a fighter of good alignment, but I've already turned into the slayer twice! http://community.the-underdogs.org/s...isc/frown2.gif http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/uhoh.gif

Xero also made a good point about the mage thing.

I'm with Xero on this. A mage going through the game, solo or otherwise, will need to use a little raw muscle in the game every now and again. The slayer is good with providing that against certain beasts. Now I know mages can't cast spells while in Slayer form, but if you throw up your protections beforehand then shapechange, you'll be tough to beat.

Slayer = last resort .... I only use it when it is needed.... MAn it just kicks ass!!!!

Elmonster would beg to differ. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I am a big advocate of roleplay over powerplay, and I'll spare y'all from the lecture. It's your game, etc. etc. etc.

Well, you can't always depend on spells Pirengle, a mage does eventually run out of them [img]tongue.gif[/img]

just a little question, if you are soloing, and in underdark, where the drow most certainly don't know of your rep, and you kill a bunch by the slayer, how do others know that your rep has gone down when all those that witnessed are dead? Does helm watch and tell his priets or something?

So far, I haven't found a single combat-related thing that the Slayer can do that Korgan or Minsc can't--and that's WITHOUT losing Rep or dying after fifteen seconds. Half the time, my Slayer gets a Morale Failure, and your ApR and THAC0 become rather irrelevant when you're just standing there, wetting your pants, letting the bad guys pound on you, and unable to issue such basic commands as "Drink that Healing Potion!"

The only real use I've found for the Slayer so far is a way to save on Illithid Control Collars. That's about it.

I once used Slayer form when I played a saved game for somebody else. He was having trouble getting past a certain ToB Boss with his Sorcerer and Minsc, so I was interested in trying out the fight myself.

That was about the only time I used the Slayer form, because I ran out of spells, and I do mean really ran out of spells( no Project Image). [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Not to mention mediorce equipment. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

ToB Spoilers.

ADD] Note that as it was quite some time ago, I have deleted the screenshots already.

[ 05-01-2003, 04:13 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

Interesting Bit o' Trivia:
Pro-Magical-Energy will protect against the damage from extended Slayer Change. [img]smile.gif[/img]

You still die if you wait too long, though. :D

But would too long mean the duration of the Pro-magical energy -spell or just set timer after which you die ?
1 turn /level of being the slayer does bring some nice advantages [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Dunno. I'll look into it...

Ponders about Death Ward.

And slap on some anti-fear stuff too .. I wanna be in control
maybe SI: ??

You know .. if it is possible,.. it'd have pretty far reaching consequences.
-Apparently the damage the slayer receives is magic damage
-The damage roughly doubles itself time after time ( 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. along those lines )

If there is indeed a way of keeping the slayer alive for as much as 20 turns ( = 20 minutes real time ) and keeping him under control for that time,.. he'd be invincible.

Why ? If not for his great stats, because of the fact that I'm assuming the damage will still be doubling every time. If you then wear the Belt of Inertial Barrier, you'd have 27% of the damage returning to you as healing.

Lets say it doubles every round and starts with 2 damage ( this is not the case btw ) ... there are 20 x 10 = 200 rounds in 20 turns.
This would mean you'd be healing 0,27 x 2^200 HP in the last round and 0,27 x 2^n ( with n being the number of rounds passed in whole numbers n = 1,2,3 .. )
healing per passed round

Knowing that in-game these numbers are actually far higher ( damage isnt doubled per round, but faster . .dunno the starting damage ) it wouldnt take long or the only way of killing the PC is to deliver equal or more damage than his total HP ( or him failing a save for an instant death spell,.. but Death Ward is probably on anywayz )...

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[ 05-01-2003, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: daan ]

One other thing: I believe Slayer mode sets your attacks per round to 5. While a warrior can achieve very close to this in unmodded SOA (4.5 for 13+ lvl warrior specialized and dual-wielding with either Belm or Kundane, or warrior specialized with Tuigan Bow... and hey, 5.5 if you dual-wield Belm AND Kundane) it takes pretty specific character planning to accomplish.

Do there exist individual character abilities, spell abilities, scrolls and potions that can together add up to equal or better bonuses than the Slayer? Absolutely. Can every battle in the game be accomplished without it? Absolutely. Does that make the Slayer useless? Absolutely not. Slayer mode means any PC can, for a short time, become an absolute melee monster with a fair shot against anything in the game... and without knowing every character, ability, item and monster in the game inside-out.

My first time through, playing as a LG Undead Hunter, the only time I used the Slayer was in the final fight w/Jon. Because of my alignment (and the consequences) I didn't want to use it any more than that. But by the end, I figured, what the heck! So Jon comes out, summons his fiends then goes slayer. While the rest of the party deals with the demons, I go slayer too. My Slayer beats Jon's pretty easily!
Done and done.

Oh I desagree that Solo Sorcerer needs Slayer...Project Image does it all... [img]smile.gif[/img]
But still it is a good thing for extreme situations.

On a VERY trivial and SHALLOW note:

My F/M looks much sexier when she's not the Slayer ;)

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. While for much of the game the slayer might not be neccessary or even worthwhile to use, no one can deny that without it for any non-magic using class it would be nearly impossible to beat the second form of Irenicus in the Nine Hells.

Yes on that I Agree...