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I was always wondering what is his part in the whole Baldur`s gate series.I mean he alwyas gave you an advice but all were some kind of a riddels.So what is his part??(Besides he has found you and gave you into Gorion saftey)

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I have no idea but do you know his stats?

From the AD&D FR 'Heroes Lorebook'
Elminster

Human male 29th level mage; one of the chosen of Mystra

AC: 6 (3 w/ring)
Move: 12
Hit points: 96
THAC0: 12
No. of attacks: 1
Alignment: Chaotic good
Strength: 13
Dexterity: 18
Constitution: 14
Intelligence: 18
Wisdom: 18
Charisma:17
Spells: 7/7/7/7/6/6/6/6/6 ( He always uses a customized form of contingency for one of his 9th, 'Elminsters Evasion' it is really just a revised dimension door )

Weapons of proficiency: Dagger,Dart,Quarterstaff

Magical items: he always carries 'necklace of missiles','ring of protetion +3', a 'ring of regeneration' and of course his 'ever-smoking pipe*'

Spell immunities: magic missiles, ESP, fireball,Evards black tentacles, feeblemind, death spell, finger of death, power word blind, imprisonment

*Elminsters ever-smoking pipe: can produce a 'Melf's minute meteor' by simply exhaling sharply into it, dimension door up to 500lbs once per round for up to nine times per day and produce three differant pyrotechnic effects

I dont know if these are the stats in BG2, though I would assume they were

[Add] I found it somewhere on the net... not real sure where but... lots of good information though :D

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Thanx!!!

Cheers [img]smile.gif[/img]

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<font color="gold">AFAIK, his only role in the BG-series is to give you hints, etc. He has no major role at all, he is simply included because he is a famous Faerûn character.
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I beleive in 3rd edition rules, Elminster goes as follows;
1 lv fighter, 2 or 3 lv's of theif (can't remember), somewhere around 29 lv mage, and 4 lv's of archmage.

The Lv's make more sense if you read the books about him, they're pretty good. Anyone out there that know's his stats better than i do???

Elminster was a good friend of Gorion.

I'd guess the put him in for the same reason the put Drizz't in - to give people familiar with the Forgotten Realms setting a sense of "ooooh! cool! I really *am* in the Forgotten Realms!" [img]smile.gif[/img]

In other words, just as a minor way of immersing your character in the story & the lore of the Realms.

Incidently, has anyone ever attacked Elminster? I think he force-talks you too quick to do it (those with ToB - at the end of Abizagal's Lair might be a good opportunity?) but I'm not positive.

- Imrahil

if you did it right(ie timestop shapechange(cause it's the fastest way to kill 1 person) you might be able to kill him before he talks to you it'd be interesting to try

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He is unkillable by my minds.I have tryed to kill him but nothing.I even tryed to CTRL+Y him but that didn`t work to...so i assume he is immortal.

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Cespenar (ToB) is immortal as well, but I don't know about Elminster though. I guess it would be pretty cool to kill him.. After all you eventually beat him in levels, so you should be able to at least hit him.. [img]smile.gif[/img]

ADD: I remember a post in the Baldur's Gate forum, where someone said that Gorion had killed Sarevok in the introduction. [img]smile.gif[/img] Something that isn't supposed to happen, that actually did. [img]smile.gif[/img] Of course he couldn't continue that game. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Is cespenar immuum to Intelligence drain?... if not it is possible to take him down (why would you I ask myself but... :D ).. because in SoA noboby was immuum towards Intel. Drain (Mind Flyers/Illithids)

Just like... when people talk about killing Elminster.. this could be a option you could try (possibly already have tried it)

Because like the Uber-Beings in SoA (Arkanis, Melchor Harpell) they are 2 vunrable for Intel. Drain.

I have heard that Elminster uses a kind of modified Dimension Door when you attack him though when Time Stop is activated... he cannot use it... I pressume.

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No doubt Elminster is immune to time-stop. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Than he *is a God*.In the evrey sense of the word.

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Xen

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Nah, he's mortal but cos he's a chosen of Mystra he has protection from things and for him being in the story line, he doesn't meddle, only guides good alignmewnts to help the realm. Could be that the designers made him invincible so that you have hints thoughout the game. He's nearly been killed by Bane before in the book, Tantras, or was it Shadowdale?

Quote from an other post of mine in this thread:

''Spell immunities: magic missiles, ESP, fireball,Evards black tentacles, feeblemind, death spell, finger of death, power word blind, imprisonment
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As you can see in the AD&D FR 'Heroes Lorebook' he is not Immune to Time-Stop..

But maybe BG II has other stats/rules determining Elminster (Probaly not but...)

I've actually killed him, in one of my past games. He doesn't wear a RoP+3, but he does wear a RoP+2 and an Amulet+1 at the same time, as well as a Ring of Regeneration--chalk me up for another Ring of Preservation+2, Cespenar!

No pointy hat, though. Edwin was really miffed about Elminster not dropping a pointy hat. No pipe, either, they could at least have given him the pipe.

I didn't even have to try Time Stop, E just stood there & let me do whatever I wanted to--but he wears Imoen's Belt, so it was Mind Flayer or nothing.

Annatar, about those stats......want to explain to me how a 29th level Mage with only 14 CON can have 96 hitpoints? By my calculations he should have a maximum of 9D4 + 20 = 56. Ah, well, I've seen characters who've been cheated a hell of a lot MORE than that.....

I remember this post being well...posted before (a long time ago). I believe Dundee posted that Elminster's stats were, stre-13, dex-18, cons-24 or 27, int-27, wis-18, char-17; I'm sure of everything except that constitution, I know for a fact that it was either 24 or 27.
I think he told us he had 500-some hits.

It's a bummer though that you really don't become uber-powerful like Elminster himself. You beat him in levels, but he could well be able to squash you, I guess. And Irenicus having Neverending Improved Alacrity is also something that somehow sounds unfair in comparison with what your character can do at level 40 (although you can do nifty things as well).

yea i really hated that...... the first time i really tought i would become just like irenikus when i reached the higher levels... turns out hes just a big cheat

Yeah, Irenicus is a little cheating bugger, and so is Arkanis Gath.

Decu "two cents" Rion

Six, his is a One of the Chosen Mystra... come on that should come with some extra bonus points ;) :D ... and indeed look at Irenicus he's a big cheat to when you look at his stats.

I think BG II just does this so they are not that vunrable against attacks and can hold out when they are attacked... it would be a little strange when Elminster falls after 2 hits of your Oversized blade.. :rolleyes:

Come on Elminster is on you look up to (in the beginning of the game, obviously you out rise him in the end of the game but... :D ) ... it would be strange when he has the same stats as my grandpa over here...

And maybe he is not determined in BG II with those stats from the ''Heroes Lorebook'', they could have used different stats for him.

Arkanis Gath (Shadow Thief Wrath) isn't a cheat, he is only there for the safety that YOU do not screw over the plot.

Just like when Bodhi does that ''all death spell'' when you attack her... it's a safety trigger because you aren't suppose to do that.

El has those mega hp's (for a mage) in 2ed because as some1 pointed out earlier he has been a fighter, a thief and a priest(ess). The original Hall of Heroes supplement also said that any skills in previous classes had been lost due to lack of use (but you cant really lose hp's through lack of use can you), well you could if you were a powerlifter i suppose who did'nt train...