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Pyrenk 01-07-2003 07:19 PM

Are Spear/Halberd good choices for the Kensai? I am planning to dual to a thief at level 13. I also want to get quarterstaff (Staff of the Ram). I realize that I cant backstab with Spears and Halberds, but I still want to know if its a decent choice.

Morgeruat 01-07-2003 07:30 PM

well, with the Wave, and Dragons Breath, Halberds can be very deadly, as well as fun for RP purposes.

dark soul 01-07-2003 07:31 PM

spears are the most dumbest weapon to me.....it sux on damage and its to slow for my taste......halberds are like a different version of a 2-hander sword.....i think u should weild a katana for good speed factor and damage.....u can also use a katana to backstab which blows away mages with 1 hit most of the time

Pyrenk 01-07-2003 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by dark soul:
spears are the most dumbest weapon to me.....it sux on damage and its to slow for my taste......halberds are like a different version of a 2-hander sword.....i think u should weild a katana for good speed factor and damage.....u can also use a katana to backstab which blows away mages with 1 hit most of the time
Find the Impaler, get grandmastery in its proficiencies. Then come back and tell me that its damage sucks. Ixil's nail isn't shabby either.

Desuma Malevois 01-07-2003 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
Find the Impaler, get grandmastery in its proficiencies. Then come back and tell me that its damage sucks. Ixil's nail isn't shabby either.
Precisely! [img]smile.gif[/img] Impaler and the Staff of Striking are two of the best damage weapons in non-ToB BG2. If only they could be dual wielded :(

BTW, if you happen to have the Weimer Item Upgrade mod, Impaler can be made into an even nastier throwing weapon ::salivates into his beer::

I forget whether you are planning to solo or not. If so I think that you would be better off choosing thief weapons, although the spear is awfully tempting if you make it into a throwing weapon as above. The halberd is rather slow, and without armor the kensai often depends on getting in the first strike. If you aren't soloing, then it is an OK choice as you can use it to strike at the enemy from a distance, like behind a heavily armored tank.

[ 01-07-2003, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Desuma Malevois ]

Pyrenk 01-07-2003 07:55 PM

Well, I am trying to decide between Spear and Halberd so that I can spend the other proficiencies on staff (Staff of Ram/Striking for backstabs). The problem is, I cant choose between Spear or Halberd. The Ravager is one of my favorite weapons, but so is the Impaler... :(

I refuse to make the throwing spear. It is too unbalanced-a missle version of the Impaler? The unicorn version is at least decent..but the Impaler?

I need help selecting between the two proficiencies. Any ideas?

Desuma Malevois 01-07-2003 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
I refuse to make the throwing spear. It is too unbalanced-a missle version of the Impaler? The unicorn version is at least decent..but the Impaler?
OK, so make the Unicorn Spear a throwing spear but keep the Impaler "pure" - it's ultimately up to you ;)

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I need help selecting between the two proficiencies. Any ideas?
I edited my post above to include suggestions while you were posting your reply. Assuming no Item Upgrade, I'd pick spear if soloing (because of the lesser speed factor) & halberd in a group.

dark soul 01-07-2003 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dark soul:
spears are the most dumbest weapon to me.....it sux on damage and its to slow for my taste......halberds are like a different version of a 2-hander sword.....i think u should weild a katana for good speed factor and damage.....u can also use a katana to backstab which blows away mages with 1 hit most of the time

Find the Impaler, get grandmastery in its proficiencies. Then come back and tell me that its damage sucks. Ixil's nail isn't shabby either.</font>[/QUOTE]whoa....totally spaced out on the impaler...yea its a great weapon as u said.....but think of this...if u get grandmastery in spears and the impaler is found at that underwater city place....its kinda to late in the game....ixil nail is found in watchers keep on lvl 5.....thats also late in the game....and halberds are easily found with a good enchantment on them and they do a fair amount of damage....but still to slow......i was wrong when i said that spears where slow....there faster then halberds but do less damage....the halberds do more damage but slower.....they're almost even in power i guess....

Pyrenk 01-07-2003 08:19 PM

Well, I'm looking for a challenge. I really don't want to modify either one, as they would be much more powerful as javelins. Another thing-I get the Impaler too late in the game, as I do as many quests as I can before the Underdark (although the ravager is also acquired late..+6 in tob, even) Second, there aren't many good spears: Impaler and Ixil's are the main contenders.

At lvl 13, what would the halberds speed be with a Kensai (- speed factor every few levels)?

Im biased towards halberds though. Change my mind [img]smile.gif[/img]

A minute too late...heh

[ 01-07-2003, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

Desuma Malevois 01-07-2003 08:40 PM

Assuming 5 stars in halberd and two in two-handed weapon, the kensai should have -8 to the speed factor by level 13. Since the nonmagical version only has a speed factor of 9, go for it if that's what you want. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Pyrenk 01-07-2003 08:42 PM

Congratulations. 666 posts. Lucky bastard.

[ 01-07-2003, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

Pyrenk 01-07-2003 08:50 PM

Is there a point to getting more than ** in Two Handed Weapon? I am using this for a lvl 13 K=>T, with Halberd and Quarterstaff.

Desuma Malevois 01-07-2003 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
Is there a point to getting more than ** in Two Handed Weapon? I am using this for a lvl 13 K=>T, with Halberd and Quarterstaff.
Theoretically you can't, unless you have a certain Ease-of-Use mod installed; however, it warns you in the README not to assign more than 2 stars. Anyway, there shouldn't be any point in it.

Desuma Malevois 01-07-2003 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
Congratulations. 666 posts. Lucky bastard.
Gee, now I have to go and post a bunch more just so people won't think I'm satanic. Well, except for the ALSB - they already think I'm the anti-christ :D

Pyrenk 01-07-2003 09:35 PM

Ill stop posting once I get 666 [img]smile.gif[/img]

Imrahil 01-08-2003 12:23 AM

*ARCHIVES* this thread - just kidding Pyrenk. [img]smile.gif[/img]

- Imrahil

SixOfSpades 01-08-2003 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrenk:
I refuse to make the throwing spear. It is too unbalanced-a missle version of the Impaler? The unicorn version is at least decent....but the Impaler?
I am in complete agreement. Happily, though, you can equip the Throwing Impaler+4, and choose the "Melee" ability, just as you can with other thrown weapons such as Azuredge and the Throwing Hammer.

A Kensai with Spear*****, Two-Handed Weapon**, Greater Whirlwind, and the Thowing Impaler can pretty much kill Dragons just by looking at them, and that's ridiculous.

Dundee Slaytern 01-09-2003 02:26 AM

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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pyrenk:
I refuse to make the throwing spear. It is too unbalanced-a missle version of the Impaler? The unicorn version is at least decent....but the Impaler?

I am in complete agreement. Happily, though, you can equip the Throwing Impaler+4, and choose the "Melee" ability, just as you can with other thrown weapons such as Azuredge and the Throwing Hammer.
A Kensai with Spear*****, Two-Handed Weapon**, Greater Whirlwind, and the Thowing Impaler can pretty much kill Dragons just by looking at them, and that's ridiculous.
</font>[/QUOTE]No better than the spellcaster that can make Firkragg run screaming to his mummy by just making a funny face( Spook).

Jesting aside, the damage bonus should not be applied to the throwing version of the Impaler because if you read the item description, it is about thrust, and unless it was fired from a giant crossbow or something, it does not make sense as to why it pierces through so efficiently when thrown.

Alson 01-09-2003 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
No better than the spellcaster that can make Firkragg run screaming to his mummy by just making a funny face( Spook).
Exactly. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Jesting aside, the damage bonus should not be applied to the throwing version of the Impaler because if you read the item description, it is about thrust, and unless it was fired from a giant crossbow or something, it does not make sense as to why it pierces through so efficiently when thrown.
That interesting... How about adjust the Throwing Impaler's damage according to the thrower's strength?


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