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Brennihelvete 11-23-2002 08:59 PM

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well after killing him once he turns into a demi lich whom got a imprisonment machinegun. He imprisoned 5(all) of my summons, then he started to throw imprisonment spells on Aerie but she was protected by spelltrap so it didnt work on her. Now of course the spell trap had to run out and she got imprisoned like the rest of my party. I do got a wand of fire that lets me summon 20 lesser fire elementals but to no use since summons will still count as summons even when imprisoned. So anyone got a suggestion on how to beat him?

Rataxes 11-23-2002 09:10 PM

You couldn't kill him in the time it took for him to cast 9-14 Imprisonments?
Well a Protection From Magic Scroll or a Protection from Undead Scroll should do the trick, though it's a tad cheesy solution.

Brennihelvete 11-23-2002 09:27 PM

Well he's casting them pretty damn fast. I think he use two sec two cast an imprisonment spell. How many hp does the demi lich got?

dragon_lord 11-23-2002 09:37 PM

He has 50HP, you also need a +4 weapon (i think) to hit him.

Rataxes 11-23-2002 09:41 PM

Well like I said, if you can't beat him fair and square, then just use one of the aforementioned scrolls.

Brennihelvete 11-23-2002 10:23 PM

Hmm I' think I can take him then. While he is busy casting imprisonment on my fire elementals, Valygar will whoop his ass dual wielding Crom Faeyr and Celestial Fury!

Angelousss 11-23-2002 10:25 PM

the cesfury won't hit him it's only +3, if you need more people hitting him buy the staff of Ryhn, the mace of disruption is one of the best weaponsin the game against him(might need to be +2 i forget)

9_1_6 11-23-2002 11:51 PM

Mace of desruption...??? I thought u need +4 or +5 weapons to deafeat him...

Angelousss 11-23-2002 11:59 PM

mace of disrution hits as a higher enchantment against undead
it might need to be upgraded to hit kagnaxx though
and instant kill vs undead is vey helpful

[ 11-24-2002, 12:12 AM: Message edited by: Angelousss ]

Sir Exxon 11-24-2002 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Angelousss:
mace of disrution hits as a higher enchantment against undead
it might need to be upgraded to hit kagnaxx though
and instant kill vs undead is vey helpful

<font color="gold">Yes, it must be updated.

And, I think it is a +4 vs all creatures, not just the undead. This means that it can hit creatures that requires +4 or greater to be hit, but it doesn't do more than an additional +2 damage. ;) </font>

Dundee Slaytern 11-24-2002 08:43 AM

Mace of Disruption +1 hits as a +4 weapon in all cases. This enchantment is hidden.

Mace of Disruption +2 hits as a +5 weapon in all cases. Also hidden.

Both are very "cheesy" weapons against Kangaxx. ;)

Brennihelvete 11-24-2002 09:40 AM

Well Keldorn is wearing Carosmyr so that will defenitely do the job! I have seen him dealing out 50 dmg to undead in one hit before so kangaxx will die

Dundee Slaytern 11-24-2002 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brennihelvete:
Well Keldorn is wearing Carosmyr so that will defenitely do the job! I have seen him dealing out 50 dmg to undead in one hit before so kangaxx will die
You will find that Keldorn deals about 2-4 damage per hit. Demi-Liches have extraordinary physical damage resistances. ;)

Ring(s) of the Ram though... will be extremely potent, dealing 20-30 damage to Demi-Liches. Get him to injured and fire the ring for a swift end to the fight.

Kaltia 11-24-2002 10:43 AM

*thinks of that other demi-lich...easy. By the time you get to the other one you have the demi-liches bane, so... :D *

I had to use my characters..err...new found shape....to defeat Kangaxx when I came back from the place where you find Irenicus and Imoen....yes....

(Nice spoiler-avoidance there, Kaltia. oh, c'mon, who are ya kidding? 'Twas GREAT! [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

DJG 11-24-2002 11:12 AM

50hp?

Why not try a Power Word, Kill?

You said Aerie had Spell Trap cast on her, so she is a high enough level to cast Power Word, Kill

Zarr 11-24-2002 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DJG:
50hp?

Why not try a Power Word, Kill?

You said Aerie had Spell Trap cast on her, so she is a high enough level to cast Power Word, Kill

Power word kill won't work as Kangaxx is imune to all spell levels 1-9.

The Hunter of Jahanna 11-24-2002 11:30 AM

Why not have Korgan go berserk and smack Kangax around like the beeeotch he is? After all , being berserk makes you immune to imprisonment spells.

Alson 11-24-2002 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
Mace of Disruption +1 hits as a +4 weapon in all cases. This enchantment is hidden.
Actually, the Mace of Disruption +1 hits as a +3 weapon, not +4.
It can't hit Kangaxx. ;)

Infinity Explorer credibility.

Sir Exxon 11-24-2002 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
Mace of Disruption +1 hits as a +4 weapon in all cases. This enchantment is hidden.

Actually, the Mace of Disruption +1 hits as a +3 weapon, not +4.
It can't hit Kangaxx. ;)

Infinity Explorer credibility.
</font>[/QUOTE]<font color="gold">To prevent this from becoming another Alson-Dundee debate/argue ( [img]tongue.gif[/img] ), I'll just post and say that Alson is correct, the Mace of Disruption +1 has a hidden +3 enchantment, and the MoD +2 has a +5 enchantment. ;)

Near Infinity credibility.</font>

[ 11-24-2002, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: Sir Exxon ]

Dundee Slaytern 11-24-2002 01:02 PM

Eh? I must have a major bug in my game then, because I routinely whack Kangaxx the Demi-Lich around with the Mace of Disruption +1.

ADD] Ah, I think I know what has happened. They changed it in one of the patches. The MoD +1 that has the +3 enchantment level is an override file. I guess they felt it was too powerful to be able to hit Demi-Liches.

[ 11-24-2002, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

Alson 11-24-2002 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Exxon:
<font color="gold">To prevent this from becoming another Alson-Dundee debate/argue ( [img]tongue.gif[/img] ), I'll just post and say that Alson is correct, the Mace of Disruption +1 has a hidden +3 enchantment, and the MoD +2 has a +5 enchantment. ;)

Near Infinity credibility.</font>

But Sir Exxon, you're spoiling all the fun! :D [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Lucky b@stard... I wish i had Near Infinity... :(

[ 11-24-2002, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Alson ]

Kaltia 11-24-2002 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DJG:
50hp?

Why not try a Power Word, Kill?

You said Aerie had Spell Trap cast on her, so she is a high enough level to cast Power Word, Kill

Ermm....probably from the SOTM...

Angelousss 11-24-2002 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:

Both are very "cheesy" weapons against Kangaxx. ;)

Cheezy against kangaxx, now that's somehthing you don't hear very often. the Mace of Disruption is a legitimate weapon(in pnp D&D for a long time) with one purpose. to kill undead. What better use is there than fighting a demilich?

Sir Exxon 11-24-2002 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alson:
Lucky b@stard... I wish i had Near Infinity... :(
http://www.idi.ntnu.no/~joh/ni/ ;)

Brennihelvete 11-24-2002 04:52 PM

I dont got power word kill, I just use the spell trap from the staff of magi. I do got the ring of the ram thou but as I pointed out earlier he shoots out one imprisonment spell every other second which makes it hard to do anything at all. I dont got Korgan or Minsc with the lovely Berserk mode either.
ANd he is immune to all spells? Great. Murmle...Scroll of Protection from Undead...Murmle...

Rataxes 11-24-2002 05:23 PM

18 seconds, well that's ample time to fire the Ring of Ram and zap the remaining 20 hp if you focus the firepower of your entire party on it [img]smile.gif[/img]

Brennihelvete 11-24-2002 06:25 PM

In 18 seconds he will have casted a total of 9 Impirionment spells. I got 5 summons which gives me about 10 seconds to kill him...1 round that is.

Rataxes 11-24-2002 07:31 PM

Even 10 seconds should be enough to take down the remaining 20 hp's if you got an entire party attacking all at once...

Angelousss 11-24-2002 07:50 PM

what weapons are your people using?
the +4 weapons are kinda hard to find, make sure you don't do anything that could hurt you like accidently using the wrong sword or keeping the cesfury when you could be hitting with just the cf

pritchke 11-24-2002 08:04 PM

The demi-Lich was like easy. I beat him in like 2 seconds. I cast Protection from undead on Minsc, Minsc walks up and hits hin with the
Mace of Disruption +2 does 2 measley points of damage and that is it. This was like after ten reloads and I am like what the hell. Any way it was good practice for fighting normal Lich's as well. Ruby Ray of Reversal is the best spell for removing all those high level protections they cast on themselves.

[ 11-25-2002, 01:06 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

Dundee Slaytern 11-25-2002 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pritchke:
The demi-Lich was like easy. I beat him in like 2 seconds. I cast Protection from undead on Minsc, Minsc walks up and hits hin with the
Mace of Disruption +2 does 2 measley points of damage and that is it. This was like after ten reloads and I am like what the hell. Any way it was good practice for fighting normal Lich's as well. Ruby Ray of Reversal is the best spell for removing all those high level protections they cast on themselves.

This is the cheese of the Mace of Disruption. Undead must save versus death with a -4 penalty or be slained immediately.

You may refer to the link in my signature for a mini-guide on Kangaxx the Demi-Lich.

[ 11-25-2002, 04:08 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

Angelousss 11-25-2002 04:53 AM

but the weapon is designed to kill undead(persumably by some fanactical whorshipers of good, possibly lawful good god)
What better use is there than fighting a powerful demilich with it? it's fulfilling it's purpose to the greatest extent. when i fought him w/ my latest party i used the mace of disruption +2 but i don't think that's what killed him. even with the -4 saving throw, he's a demilich he has great saving throws. He said it was like his 10th attempt, that's just lazy if you ask me, if he had just fought the battle he would have won on his first or second try(proably)

Dundee Slaytern 11-25-2002 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Angelousss:
but the weapon is designed to kill undead(persumably by some fanactical whorshipers of good, possibly lawful good god)
What better use is there than fighting a powerful demilich with it? it's fulfilling it's purpose to the greatest extent. when i fought him w/ my latest party i used the mace of disruption +2 but i don't think that's what killed him. even with the -4 saving throw, he's a demilich he has great saving throws. He said it was like his 10th attempt, that's just lazy if you ask me, if he had just fought the battle he would have won on his first or second try(proably)

Actually, Demi-Liches are very vulnerable to the Mace of Disruption. Their saving throws are not that fantastic, and the MoD has a -4 penalty too. It is the best weapon to use against a Demi-Lich, since you have a 60% chance of killing him on the first hit.

I am not saying that you shouldn't use the MoD. ;) I am just commenting that it is very powerful against Demi-Liches. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Brennihelvete 11-25-2002 10:59 AM

Will Crom Faeyr hit him? And what about Carosmyr?
They should do the job quick enough I think when my fighters are hasted. Also My Archer uses a +3 long bow. Will it hit him?

Alson 11-25-2002 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Exxon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Alson:
Lucky b@stard... I wish i had Near Infinity... :(

http://www.idi.ntnu.no/~joh/ni/ ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, i knew that. ;)

The problem is that for reasons unknown, my download manager refuses to download that damn 12MB .JAR file.
12MB is too rich for my bloo.. er, dial up modem. :(
Grrrr...

Angelousss 11-25-2002 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brennihelvete:
Will Crom Faeyr hit him? And what about Carosmyr?
They should do the job quick enough I think when my fighters are hasted. Also My Archer uses a +3 long bow. Will it hit him?

check dundee's sig for complete list of weapons that will hit him(along with a walk through)
Casomyr will hit, so will crom faeyr

not often we get a kangaxx post this intresting

[ 11-25-2002, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: Angelousss ]

pritchke 11-25-2002 02:08 PM

OK, the ten reloads were a bit of an exageration it was more like three. However I had tried to beat him before but gave up so all together maybe it was ten. The thing is I could not beat him without using the cheese way as some people call it (Protection from undead with mace of disruption + 2) which is perfectly valid for those non-suicidal players. The only other way I would attempt to beat him without this method is after coming from the underdark with 4 or 5 Freedom scrolls so I could get back my NPC's that he sends to God knows were unless of course your willing to lose your NPC's for that lenght of time or solo afterwards.

Alson 11-25-2002 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brennihelvete:
Will Crom Faeyr hit him? And what about Carosmyr?
They should do the job quick enough I think when my fighters are hasted. Also My Archer uses a +3 long bow. Will it hit him?

Both Crom Faeyr and Carsomyr are capable of hitting Kangaxx. [img]smile.gif[/img]
It won't be as quick as you think, though - Kangaxx's physical immunities are very high - you can only deal about 1-3 points of damage to him, and to add insult to injury - he regenerates, too!

About your Archer... It is not the Long Bow's enchantment that determines whether it can't hit Kangaxx or not - It's the arrows'.
And since there are no 'non-phantom' +4 Arrows in the game... :(

Brennihelvete 11-25-2002 07:10 PM

Argh, well I use the ring of the ram then and he got like 20 hp left. Then I got ten sec to beat him up with carosmyr and crom faeyr.I'll guess ill just have to try then.
Does turn undead work on the demi lich?

Lord Demerol 11-25-2002 10:25 PM

There's another good weapon for Kangaxx: Flame Tongue +1 (+4 vs. undead). If memory serves well, it's found during the "Druid Grove" quest. In my last game, Soulafein made a "Paté Du Kangaxx" all by himself using this sword...

[img]smile.gif[/img]

What I'd like to know is if the L9 "Black Blade of Disaster" spell hits Kangaxx. It's supposed to act like a +5 sword...


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