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Felix The Assassin 11-05-2010 07:18 PM

Olbermann ethics lesson, what not to do
 
A multi-million dollar salary. A platform to spew your political rhetoric. A place to bash those who oppose your view. And it is not a Fox talking head!

Msnbc TV host Keith Olbermann was suspended indefinitely on Friday for making campaign donations to three Democratic congressional candidates, apparently in violation of NBC News ethics policy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40028929

SpiritWarrior 11-05-2010 08:16 PM

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Surprised he's not allowed to donate since, after all, he IS NBC's answer to Bill O, and neither are "reporters" or journalists...just opinion commentary.

I could understand, maybe...someone like Matt Lauer or Katie Couric having some kinda nuetrality stipulation in their contract...but him? And in the meantime, while Fox anchors are literally HOSTING tea-parties - not to mention the tons of money they pumped into those loonies to make them their own, an NBC commentator can't donate $2,400 to his politics. Yet, he can vote for his politics in the booth. I find it odd. If only Fox was so insistent on nuetrality and indifference with it's employees.

Cerek 11-06-2010 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1243610)
Surprised he's not allowed to donate since, after all, he IS NBC's answer to Bill O, and neither are "reporters" or journalists...just opinion commentary.

I could understand, maybe...someone like Matt Lauer or Katie Couric having some kinda nuetrality stipulation in their contract...but him? And in the meantime, while Fox anchors are literally HOSTING tea-parties - not to mention the tons of money they pumped into those loonies to make them their own, an NBC commentator can't donate $2,400 to his politics. Yet, he can vote for his politics in the booth. I find it odd. If only Fox was so insistent on nuetrality and indifference with it's employees.

<font color=plum>LOL! Olbermann has never been neutral or indifferent on his show. As you correctly stated, his show was designed to counter Bill O'Reilly.

Olbermann has heavily criticized OTHER "reporters" for donating money to specific candidates, so it makes him appear a little hypocritical when he does it himself. Personally, I don't think Olbermann did anything wrong. He donated the standard amount most supporters do, at least on paper. There is probably a good chance he donated more OFF the record (just like every other big "supporter" does for their chosen candidate) and, again, I don't really see anything wrong with that. Olbermann has made no bones about who he supports and why.

From what I could glean in the reports I heard, the main complaint was that he did not clear his donations through his NBC bosses first, so they got caught by surprise. So it is really more a matter of Keith not following company policy correctly than any hint of actual wrong-doing. He will probably get a slap on the wrist, a few days off the air, issue the obligatory apology and then be back on the air again fairly soon.</font>

SpiritWarrior 11-06-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerek (Post 1243615)
<font color=plum>LOL! Olbermann has never been neutral or indifferent on his show. As you correctly stated, his show was designed to counter Bill O'Reilly.
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So...that was you agreeing with me?

Felix The Assassin 11-06-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by another article
His "Countdown" show, which airs at 8 p.m. ET, is MSNBC's most popular program. His on-the-air transformation from the host of a straight news program to a liberal commentator led the network itself to go in the same direction, filling its prime-time lineup with left-leaning hosts and doing better in the ratings than anytime since its 1996 launch...

Mr. Olbermann’s program, “Countdown,” is the most popular hour on MSNBC, with about 1.1 million viewers a night...Mr. Griffin has called the seven-year-old “Countdown” the tent-pole of MSNBC, which has rebuilt itself as a home for liberal-minded Americans. It recently adopted a new slogan, “Lean Forward,” which winks at its progressive bent.

I'm anticipating less than a two week cool down phase, followed by a on-air apology as mentioned by Cerek, a couple shows to get things "aired" out, then wham, right back into the thick of it.

I don't know enough about fox, so I'm sure somebody will come along and provide input. Does fox even have such a policy? Is it really required?

Ultimately, why didn't the knuckle-buck get the prescribed permission first?! Arrogance maybe? OR, downright disregard for policy?

SpiritWarrior 11-06-2010 07:46 PM

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Maybe I am missing something but, am I the only one who doesn't think he should even have to discolse what he legally donates off the air? He's a talking-head. As mentioned above, he makes no bones about who he supports and what he supports. The same way Hannity or Beck or Bill O don't. It would be different if he was all for the Democratic party yet donated to the McCain campaign. That would be controversial at least, but still...not illegal.

I doubt Fox has such a policy in place - that would mean they had standards. But really, what standards does this particular policy enforce or ensure? That you can scream and preach and broadcast all day about your politics on our news station, but cannot legally make a contribution of $2000 to them from your money on your own personal time. I don't get it...

Felix The Assassin 11-06-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1243619)
Maybe I am missing something but, am I the only one who doesn't think he should even have to discolse what he legally donates off the air? He's a talking-head. As mentioned above, he makes no bones about who he supports and what he supports. The same way Hannity or Beck or Bill O don't. It would be different if he was all for the Democratic party yet donated to the McCain campaign. That would be controversial at least, but still...not illegal.

I doubt Fox has such a policy in place - that would mean they had standards. But really, what standards does this particular policy enforce or ensure? That you can scream and preach and broadcast all day about your politics on our news station, but cannot legally make a contribution of $2000 to them from your money on your own personal time. I don't get it...

It's too complicated for you then, move along!

SpiritWarrior 11-06-2010 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Felix The Assassin (Post 1243620)
It's too complicated for you then, move along!

You forgot the "If" at the start. For example: "If forming sentences are too complicated for you then, move along." :D

Cerek 11-07-2010 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1243616)
So...that was you agreeing with me?

<font color=plum>In this particular situation, yes. :D</font>

Cerek 11-07-2010 01:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1243619)
Maybe I am missing something but, am I the only one who doesn't think he should even have to discolse what he legally donates off the air? He's a talking-head. As mentioned above, he makes no bones about who he supports and what he supports. The same way Hannity or Beck or Bill O don't. It would be different if he was all for the Democratic party yet donated to the McCain campaign. That would be controversial at least, but still...not illegal.

I doubt Fox has such a policy in place - that would mean they had standards. But really, what standards does this particular policy enforce or ensure? That you can scream and preach and broadcast all day about your politics on our news station, but cannot legally make a contribution of $2000 to them from your money on your own personal time. I don't get it...

<font color=plum>The only reason I can see for such a policy would be to avoid the appearance of any partiality or conflict of interest. However, as you mentioned earlier, this isn't Matt Lauer or Katie Couric. Olbermann has never pretended to be objective, nor was he supposed to be.

Whether we agree with the policy or not, though, is a moot point. The point is that the policy does exist and Keith decided, for whatever reason, to ignore or violate that policy. He didn't do anything illegal and I really don't think even his critics would be surprised or offended by his donations. The most difficult thing for him, I believe, will be showing the proper amount of contrition to his bosses and then delivering the obligatory public apology. Regardless, this will blow over in a day or two and he'll be back on the air within 1-2 weeks most likely. </font>

Illumina Drathiran'ar 11-07-2010 01:54 AM

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Keith Olbermann, today's worst... person... in the wooooooooooooorld!

SpiritWarrior 11-07-2010 09:11 AM

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I do love his Bill O voice, even though it really doesn't sound like Bill O.

SpiritWarrior 11-07-2010 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerek (Post 1243625)
<font color=plum>The only reason I can see for such a policy would be to avoid the appearance of any partiality or conflict of interest. However, as you mentioned earlier, this isn't Matt Lauer or Katie Couric. Olbermann has never pretended to be objective, nor was he supposed to be.

Whether we agree with the policy or not, though, is a moot point. The point is that the policy does exist and Keith decided, for whatever reason, to ignore or violate that policy. He didn't do anything illegal and I really don't think even his critics would be surprised or offended by his donations. The most difficult thing for him, I believe, will be showing the proper amount of contrition to his bosses and then delivering the obligatory public apology. Regardless, this will blow over in a day or two and he'll be back on the air within 1-2 weeks most likely. </font>

Yes.

Felix The Assassin 11-07-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1243622)
You forgot the "If" at the start. For example: "If forming sentences are too complicated for you then, move along." :D

The "If" is not required. The sentence formed was fully functional. It also appears you "missed" that meaning as well.

Here is yet another crayola draw for you. By your response of confusion, you do not understand the subject, therefore, "it's too complicated for you, move along". Wet clean up in aisle "SW". ;)

SpiritWarrior 11-07-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Felix The Assassin (Post 1243633)
The "If" is not required. The sentence formed was fully functional. It also appears you "missed" that meaning as well.

Here is yet another crayola draw for you. By your response of confusion, you do not understand the subject, therefore, "it's too complicated for you, move along". Wet clean up in aisle "SW". ;)

If you think "It's too complicated for you then, move along" is fully functional, then you really do need to be in school. Ask one of your teachers.

Felix The Assassin 11-07-2010 10:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1243634)
If you think "It's too complicated for you then, move along" is fully functional, then you really do need to be in school. Ask one of your teachers.

Mindful again of your adolescent job as a bed pan changer apprentice in Ireland, it is understandable you have not fully grasped the English language. In so much as your inability to grasp the American dialect, I therefore chose small words to fully enunciate your affliction, in hopes of making it easy for you. Liken to the article you failed to grasp, this also has gone above your reach.

SpiritWarrior 11-08-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Felix The Assassin (Post 1243636)
Mindful again of your adolescent job as a bed pan changer apprentice in Ireland, it is understandable you have not fully grasped the English language. In so much as your inability to grasp the American dialect, I therefore chose small words to fully enunciate your affliction, in hopes of making it easy for you. Liken to the article you failed to grasp, this also has gone above your reach.

Clear win for me again. Too easy.

Timber Loftis 11-09-2010 03:00 PM

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As Jon Stewart said, it was a stupid rule, but at least it was poorly enforced.

Bungleau 11-09-2010 03:57 PM

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Apparently, in additional updates, Olbermann found out about his suspension when it was announced to the media, and also indicates that he was unaware of the no-contributions rule, while also stating that it has been "inconsistently applied".

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"You should know that I mistakenly violated an inconsistently applied rule—which I previously knew nothing about—that pertains to the process by which such political contributions are approved by NBC," Olbermann wrote.
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It's pretty incredible that Olbermann learned of his own suspension only after MSNBC blasted out a short statement to reporters Friday afternoon.

SpiritWarrior 11-10-2010 10:47 AM

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He's back, with a somewhat humorous explanation an apology and a big thank you for all his support. I can't help but like him - funny but humble at the same time.

I am of the same opinion as Jon Stewart, of which he shows a clip 4 mins into it.





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