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...has won the Peace Prize. We'll never get anything out of him now. The PP to go along with the newly aquired "leader-of-the-free-world-itis" will complete the transformation of BO into a Capitalist hack.

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It is moments like these we should feel great about our Nations and the prospects ahead for the World we create.

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I am dead proud. At least some still appreciate the value of peace and diplomacy.

But so quickly, and before the usual deadline, man, he deserves this.

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from this CNN article

What exactly did he do in those 12 days to warrant this? I don't remember anything that extraordinary. And if, like he said, it's more of a "call to action", doesn't that mean they're giving him an award now for what he *might* do in the future?

While the President might do something to earn this award while he's in office over the next few years, I just don't see that he's done it yet.

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They're postmarked at this time, noted if you will, as a possible candidate. There were multiple people postmarked on this date as potential winners. A "watch list" of sorts. If they then see in the remaining time that he demonstrates the stuff he's been talking about, they give him the award.

As far as why they gave it to him, the article just told us. "Extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". I also think it's great that he views it as a "call to action" as opposed to "I'm done now". I really feel he needed this, after all the downplaying and sometimes even ridiculing that certain people do of his diplomatic actions and aspirations.

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Seems quite clear and totally obvious from the prize commitee this was more like a vote of confidence award rather than an achievement.

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See, this is why I come on here to find my news. We Aussies hadn't heard about this, as far as I know, because our news has been flooded with stories about people complaining about the Hey, Hey skit. Well, now I know something that is worth knowing about. Thanks, guys.

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<font color=plum>A European op-ed perspective:</font>

<font color=white>Comment: absurd decision on Obama makes a mockery of the Nobel peace prize
Michael Binyon

The award of this year’s Nobel peace prize to President Obama will be met with widespread incredulity, consternation in many capitals and probably deep embarrassment by the President himself.

Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world.

Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.

The pretext for the prize was Mr Obama’s decision to “strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples”. Many people will point out that, while the President has indeed promised to “reset” relations with Russia and offer a fresh start to relations with the Muslim world, there is little so far to show for his fine words.
Times Archive, 1973: Worldwide criticism of Nobel peace awards

East-West relations are little better than they were six months ago, and any change is probably due largely to the global economic downturn; and America’s vaunted determination to re-engage with the Muslim world has failed to make any concrete progress towards ending the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

There is a further irony in offering a peace prize to a president whose principal preoccupation at the moment is when and how to expand the war in Afghanistan.

The spectacle of Mr Obama mounting the podium in Oslo to accept a prize that once went to Nelson Mandela, Aung San Suu Kyi and Mother Theresa would be all the more absurd if it follows a White House decision to send up to 40,000 more US troops to Afghanistan. However just such a war may be deemed in Western eyes, Muslims would not be the only group to complain that peace is hardly compatible with an escalation in hostilities.

The Nobel committee has made controversial awards before. Some have appeared to reward hope rather than achievement: the 1976 prize for the two peace campaigners in Northern Ireland, Betty Williams and Mairead Corrigan, was clearly intended to send a signal to the two battling communities in Ulster. But the political influence of the two winners turned out, sadly, to be negligible.

In the Middle East, the award to Menachem Begin of Israel and Anwar Sadat of Egypt in 1978 also looks, in retrospect, as naive as the later award to Yassir Arafat, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin — although it could be argued that both the Camp David and Oslo accords, while not bringing peace, were at least attempts to break the deadlock.

Mr Obama’s prize is more likely, however, to be compared with the most contentious prize of all: the 1973 prize to Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho for their negotiations to end the Vietnam war. Dr Kissinger was branded a warmonger for his support for the bombing campaign in Cambodia; and the Vietnamese negotiator was subsequently seen as a liar whose government never intended to honour a peace deal but was waiting for the moment to attack South Vietnam.

Mr Obama becomes the third sitting US President to receive the prize. The committee said today that he had “captured the world’s attention”. It is certainly true that his energy and aspirations have dazzled many of his supporters. Sadly, it seems they have so bedazzled the Norwegians that they can no longer separate hopes from achievement. The achievements of all previous winners have been diminished. </font>

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<font color=plum>My perspective:

The award seems premature since it is based on Obama's words rather than his actions. It also seemed very clear to me that this was an award for President Obama not being George W. Bush more than anything else. In Obama's defense, however, this is not the first time the committee has rewarded a new world leader for replacing an unpopular predecessor. Gorbachev also received the award shortly after his rise to power in the USSR.

There have certainly been outrageous choices in the past; Yassir Arafat comes to mind and the award given to Henry Kissinger and Lo Duc Tho seems to be the most contentious to date. Last year's award to Al Gore was just ridiculous and did as much, if not more, to diminish the meaning of the award.

As for President Obama, while the timing of the award might be questionable, I don't feel his nomination "diminishes" the award in anyway. If anything, it re-establishes a measure of respectability compared to last years winner.

To his credit, Obama was very humbled and gracious in his reaction to the award. That is one of the qualities I truly admire about him. I also give him credit for viewing this as a "call to action" rather than a reward for anything already done.</font>

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Let them give the prize to whom ever they want and for what ever reason they want. The Nobel Peace Prize is worthless and has been worthless since 2007 when Al Gore won the prize over Irene Sendler, here's a video. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pnytqS9l72E&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pnytqS9l72E&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

*WARNING those who let the messenger effect the message and the truth don't even bother looking at the video* Here's a link for you to learn something without your own biases getting in the way. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sendler.asp

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The irony here is that if someone they "liked" won a nobel peace prize, it would be a prestigous and almost holy event, encompassing nothing but credibility and nuetrality.

I saw An Inconvenient Truth with nothing but skepticism in my mind, and finished with only gratitude toward Al Gore. I think he was well deserving of that award, for what his movie and his work promotes. If trying to save the planet doesn't earn you something, I don't know what does. I think too, that Obama was equally deserving and awesome in his humility. Both of these men brought honor to their country.

P.S. Glenn Beck is a nutcake who thinks Obama is racist and the government is "out to get him". Try harder, lol.

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No war-mongering, base peddling, defense industry hack would ever win a famously liberal award like the Nobel Peace prize, so most of their guys are out before the contest even starts.

All the scorn is hilariously par for course from the negative right. I'll give them props for good shows of patriotism, ...when it suits their politcal aims.


Conservatism has gone to the birds. Chickenhawks, Chicken littles, just plain Chickens and a bunch of Quacks. Beck is like king of the quacks!

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Dude, now you hafta start a thread abotu the Hey, Hey skit!!! :D Inquiring minds want to know!

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<font color=black>Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot.</font>

<font color=plum>Despite the proven factual errors it contains? Interesting.</font>

<font color=plum>You're half right.</font>

<font color=plum>That doesn't change the truthfulness of Irene Sendler's story.</font>

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Who won a nobel prize that I didn't think deserved one? :rolleyes:

How quickly you forget. You didn't see the movie last time I checked.

In your completely independant opinion. :P

I never said it did.

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<font color=plum>I'm not sure. I listed the ones I felt were undeserving (Yasser Arafat and Al Gore). The article I posted listed others (Kissinger and Le Duc Tho). Maybe you agree with those, maybe not. Here is a list of all Nobel Peace Prize Laureates. You can view the list yourself and let us know if you agree with all the choices that have been made.

As for Obama, I said I felt the award was premature, but did not say he didn't deserve it. I also stated that Obama's award did not diminish the Peace Prize in any way and actually added a measure of respectability back to the award compared to Al Gore. (although I mistakenly referred to Gore as "last year's winner". He won the award in 2007, not 2008).
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If you think warning people about global warming, something that would fall under the Nobel SCIENCE prize, gobal warming isn't being addressed by peace makers but scientists. Vs a woman who in a time of WAR risked her life to save others and stop horrible things durring war, was turtored, had her legs broke when she was beaten. If it is Ironic that I believe the nobel PEACE PRIZE is no longer valid, So be it I can live with that. PROUDLY IRONIC!!!!!!!! :D

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This just sounds like whining. Basically you are mad that a person who you were told (by Glenn Beck) should get it, didn't.

It is important to recognise the messenger in this case, a nuerotic man who's been all over the news for his nuttiness and overall being out-of-touch.

Having him even mention this womans name does her a great dishonor, as he uses her story for his own political purposes (opposing Al Gore), rather than giving her the respect that is due. We've seen this kind of behavior before. It is similiar to what the Republicans did with the troops, using them as tools to garner a hushed respect with one hand, whilst furthering their own agendas with the other, and subsequently accusing anyone who disagrees with the right-wing as "unpatriotic" because it is an insult to the troops. Wtf?

If anything is an insult, it is how they were used as scapegoats and propganda tools by the very people who claimed they supported them. If I were you, I would be mad about this more than anything else. And if you really care about this woman, and her selfless actions, and wanted to show her the kind of respect she deserves, you wouldn't buy into this BS in the first place.

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LOL exactly which word in Glen beck's video dishonored her? Which words di he use that were false? Everything he said was backed up by Snopes. After all you have made a show about your prowess with the english language, give facts not opinion.

LOL if you were me you would give facts and not opinions stating them as facts, nor would you dismiss facts based on who said them. :P

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I just told you how he dishonored her.

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you gave an opinion, opinions are like rear ends everybody has'em and they usually need to be wiped every once in a while.

Which word did you not understand in the following statement I made. "Give facts not opinion", Please let me know and I'll try to rephrase it so you do understand it.

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I think it's you who isn't understanding. What or who do you want facts about?

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ROTFLMAO in this case any facts would do.

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So let me get this straight, you want "any facts" because you don't like opinions, even though you posted a video of Glenn spouting his opinion. But, you like that opinion, because, in your opinion, it is a good opinion but my opinion is, in your opinion, not a good opinion.

Amirite? :)

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<font color=plum>Here are some facts for consideration.

1) British judge, Mr. Justice Burton, ruled that An Inconvenient Truth contained 9 factual errors. He ruled the film could be shown in British schools, but only if accompanied by the disclaimer/warning that the film was a partisan presentation that only presented one side of the story.

2) Some blog sites and the SPPI put the actual number of errors in the film closer to 35. (some interesting comments after this particular list. Post #3 from "JW" slams the blogger for "counting Hurricane Katrina twice and just changing the spelling". Only thing is, JW didn't realize Gore (and the blogger) were referring to two separate hurricanes; Katrina that hit New Orleans and Catarina that hit Brazil)

3) Al Gore has conceded in the past that ecologist often resort to using "alarmist tactics" to increase awareness about global climate threats. Mr. Justice Burton concurred when he claimed 9 errors in the film were "in the context of alarmism and exaggeration". At least Gore didn't lie about using these tactics.

4) Al Gore went around the globe urging everyone to lower the carbon footprint, while his own mansion in TN consumed approximately 12 times the energy of average households in TN. Gore's staff members quickly replied that his residence wasn't "average" since he and Tipper both used the home as office space for their personal endeavors and they "offset" their carbon footprint by purchasing some of their energy from "green sources". That may be well and good, but the fact is that Al Gore did NOT begin making <font color=green>green</font> renovations to his home until AFTER the report of his energy consumption became public.

5) Meanwhile, a certain ranch house in Texas was already using every green technology available at the time.

6) Al Gore says that, if you can't reduce your energy consumption (like he and Tipper), then you can purchase "carbon offsets" to reduce your carbon footprint. In other words, you buy an excuse to use extra energy. Guess who is the silent majority owner of the company selling the "carbon offsets"? If you said "Al Gore", you may go to the head of the class.

So, Al Gore was using excessive amounts of energy for his personal mansion (and office) while urging other Americans to reduce their energy use, but he justifies his excess consumption by using the house as an office and buying a permission slip from himself to offset the extra consumption. :uhoh2:

These are some of the facts regarding Al Gore. You're welcome to give your respect to a man like that if you wish. I, on the other hand, cannot.</font>

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Oh, there you are. Back to Al Gore again I see. Damn, I am still waiting on John D's answer concerning our Glenn Beck! No matter, I can keep up just fine. *puts on tinfoil hat*

My acute memory yet again tells me we went through all of these "facts" before, back on the CE forums a year or so ago. Don't you recall..? That's how I know you never saw the movie. You are welcome to pretend it was never discussed but I, on the other hand, cannot. ;)

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I hate discussing Al Gore when the real topic should be climate change and what humans are doing about it. It's like talking about coal when there is diamonds to be had.

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Climate change has been goin on a few billion years before man and will go long after man is gone. Any good Historical Geology text will show that.

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Well, yes, the Earth is constantly renewing and changing itself. Such beauty as I saw it today on our family Autumn hike. The changing tree colors can only be described as a splendor of nature made for eyes.

As well, Last evening the Science Channel had a beautiful documentry about plate tectonics and what's happening near the horn of Africa. An ocean being born, Earth changing before our eyes, ect. Good stuff.

But it's not the cycles of eons and eras we have concern for, clearly it is the mere decades and centuries ahead. It's also not just the Earth going on her merry way, but our human creations which are our own responsibility.

Indeed remaining educated and intelligent, that is key, but not just for having some witty facts available for disposal or debate. Having accurate knowledge about the enviroment is the only way to properly apply responsibility for our own actions and consequences.

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Not even close the only Opinion given by Glen Beck in the entire video consists of one sentence, " It is dispicable that she died without winning the nobel peace prize, but if you asked Irenea...." It comes in the last 15 seconds of the video. Now you wrote a lot of stuff about tactics then back them up with opinions on what those tactics meant. I at least backed up, the facts in the video with another sourse, and warned those who couldn't handle the truth given by Glen Beck. You've spouted nothing but drivel. I didn't say the movie wasn't worthy of a Nobel Prize, just not the PEACE PRIZE. I even sugested maybe the NOBEL SCIENCE PRIZE... but there could be a problem there since for the sceine prize the facts got to be there... and well Cerek has done a great job showing it would fail. But hey if'n you want to hang on to some movie being equal to saving human lives, be my guest.... and we conservative Repunlicans are mean people.... LMAO thanks Spirit you make it so easy....

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great documentary saw it too.

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To be honest Cerek I can't blame Al Gore for that, Hale's Bells, if he can get folks to give him good money for some kind of carbon credit More power to him!!!! It just goes to show that P.T. Barnum under estimated the birth rate of suckers... Carbon Cerdits ROTFLMAO who are you going to turn the Credits in to... God? maybe the Mother nature police.... LMAO Good money for something made up.... what's the saying a fool and his money are soon parted... LOL way to go Al Gore I didn't know you had so much evil capitalist money grubbing conservative Repubilcan in you.... ;)


added: Climate police: Sir do you know why I pulled you over?
Driver: No sir
Climate police: well you are driving a big gas guzzling SUV and contributing to Gobal warming, I'm going to have to write you a ticket...
Driver: It's ok Officer I have this brand knew carbon credit I got from Al Gore
Climate Police: Oh ok sorry to have stopped you sir.
ROTFLMAO Skin'em Al Skin'em

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<font color=plum>Oh, you wanted facts specifically about the Glen Beck video. Very well.

Fact 1 - Glen Beck's account of Irene Sendler's story was 100% accurate, as verified by Snopes. As <font color=white>John D.</font> points out, the only opinion given came in the last few seconds of the video.

Fact 2 - Just as <font color=white>John D.</font> predicted, you focused entirely on the messenger rather than the message.</font>

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See, this is why I tend to dismiss many of your posts. I don't know whether you don't get it, or just don't want to get it. But, you always seem to end up meandering off the points you're responding to, and oftentimes it looks like you miss the point completely.

I am gonna throw you a bone here, and show you exactly where your comprehension, and your post began to err. Look at this as a one-time service though. The red flags are raised in your opening lines.

Lets break it down.

Okay, I read this expecting to be proven wrong. Surely you have a countering argument with evidence that will oppose or disprove my own. Sadly it is not to be. The next line is this:

Like I said, that didn't prove me wrong at all. It just proved me completely right. Lol, you even said "The only opinion" like having just one makes it okay.

What you don't see is that this is THE opinion I was referring to from the start. The exact one. I wasn't hoping he'd give his opinion on a local diner or the latest music. I was talking about him, stating the fact that he thought she should win it. And I have been from the start, yet look how long it took you to understand that, if you even do, after this.

Btw, saying stuff like this

doesn't help your cause and makes you scary like Glenn.

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1. Again, didn't say the woman doesn't exist. Didn't say she doesn't or didn't do anything. What I did say, I have highlighted twice now. Both times for John D - spelled out to the point of overkill in my above post.

2. That's why he predicted it. :) If we didn't watch the messenger we'd all believe in the boy who cried wolf.

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<font color=plum>No, you didn't say she didn't exist or do anything. You just simply dismissed the impact of her accomplishments based solely on the person telling the story.</font>

<font color=plum>I thought you didn't want to talk about Al Gore anymore. :confused:

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BTW, as I looked back over the previous posts, I realized you had missed the point of my <font color=black>Pot/Kettle</font> reference and I allowed myself to get sidetracked by your incorrect response.

To review, you stated....
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The irony here is that if someone they "liked" won a nobel peace prize, it would be a prestigous and almost holy event, encompassing nothing but credibility and nuetrality.</font>

My <font color=black>Pot/Kettle</font> reference was aimed at the fact this is precisely how you are treating the award Obama received - because you "like" him.</font>

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Nice try spirit but no cigar, for someone who waxes long on they abilies, and tries to puff himself up by attempting to make other look bad. (see you response before about spelling) It was very clear the facts I was asking about refered to the below post you made. That's why I quoted it before asking for facts. So I'll quote it again for you.Now that you have had the chance to reread your post, the post I was asking for the facts about. let's examine it.
1) what facts do you have that I am mad? Do you posses some magical power that from 4,000 miles away you can read minds? I'll offer you some free advice don't give up your day job, if you are counting on making a living mind reading. I've been here for years and any of the old timers can tell you that when I get mad, there is no doubt I'm mad I come out say it. I'm not some namby pamby afraid to speak and especialy not over the internet. What's the worst that can happen I get banned... big whoopty doo I've been shot at and shot before, WTF is an internet banning conpaired to that.

2)what facts do you have that Glen Beck is nutty, that is an opinion. Do you have an link, or copies of any papers of Glen Beck's commitment to a mental institution? What proof do you have to back that opinion? How about court documents got any of them? Prehaps a report from Licensed Therapist?

3)Still waiting on which words Glen Beck used that was a dishonor to Irena Sendler. Surely it can't be that hard to find after all you made a big show about your prowess with the English language, or is it only limited to spelling? hmmm... let me see I believe Glen Beck said: An amazing story I'll never forget, or words to that effect... hmmm amazing yep that sure sounds like dishonor to me... Oh and let's not forget that Glen Beck dishonored her by remembering her and her story... WOW the nerve of Him doesn't he know what a dishonor it is to remember what someboby did... for shame for shame Glen Beck how dare you remember when somebody does something takes great personal risk to save other humans. Prehaps it was Glen Beck's words that Irena wouldn't have been bothered by the fact that she didn't win the Nobel Peace prize.... HOLY HORSE MANURE That has to be the most dishonorable thing I have ever read in my life. How dare Glen Beck say that woman who saved over 2500 children, was beaten and tortured wouldn't worry about some personal glory. Oh yes I can sure see that is dishonorable.

4)The remark about the Republicans and the troops, purely and opinion nothing more nothing less. Talk about Irony, you claim that Glen Beck is furthering a political agenda, while having your own political agenda. Well paddle my behind and paint it purple. Have you served in the US military if not then prehaps it would be best to let those here who served state if they were insulted by the Actions of the Republicans. Shall we settle that by having a vote of all here who served state if they were insulted?

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Please tell me your kidding

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No one claimed you said she didn't exsist, Show which words where used that make that claim.... come on it can't be that hard to do just hit the quote button and you got them.

I predicted it because from the evidence for previous posts from you it was an obvious truth, hey at least my powers of ESP have been proven, Thanks, now I know I don't have to keep my day job, I got something to fall back on. :P

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Wow, then that's your own perception getting in the way, and warping things then. Man, how'd you make that jump going as far as me "dismissing her accomplishments"? You need to reign that part in 'cuz as we see here, it can create things that either don't exist or never happen.

I do however, think it does this woman a disservice to invoke her name in this debate. Do you think she would appreciate being used as a tool in this way, both here and on Beck's show? It doesn't scream class, to say the least.

Not until you've seen the flick - hard to take a critic seriously when they haven't seen the work.