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OK, guys, come on, now. I've been (painfully) tolerant with this thread up to now, but please refrain from personal jibes. Detach, relax the attention, and then return to the points at hand, not at each other's throats.

Please. I don't want to have to close this thread, or any other.

Thanks,

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Really though, you guys didn't giggle even a little when you first saw it?

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Originally posted by Sazerac:
OK, guys, come on, now. I've been (painfully) tolerant with this thread up to now, but please refrain from personal jibes. Detach, relax the attention, and then return to the points at hand, not at each other's throats.

Please. I don't want to have to close this thread, or any other.

Thanks,

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Originally posted by Sir Kenyth:
Oh, come on! Lighten up. I've got to have a little fun now and again. Y'all don't take a little pro-american jibe like that seriously do you? It's just a giggler.

Hmm. So pro-American jibes are just 'gigglers' whereas anti is beyond the pale. I wonder how this would have gone down if RimYo had posted it? (Well, I can tell you. It would have been greeted with a storm of protest from 'pro-A's'.)

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[This message has been edited by Silver Cheetah (edited 10-10-2001).]

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:
Hmm. So pro-American jibes are just 'gigglers' whereas anti is beyond the pale. I wonder how this would have gone down if RimYo had posted it? (Well, I can tell you. It would have been greeted with a storm of protest from 'pro-A's'.)

OK,OK! I stand both chastised and corrected.

Really though, you didn't even think it was a little teensy weensy bit funny?

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Originally posted by Sir Kenyth:
Gotcha Saz! Really, I was just having a little fun with my new found smiley codes. I'll be good from now on, I promise. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/tdo9.gif

Really though, you guys didn't giggle even a little when you first saw it?

Er no. Maybe got something to do with the context. In a different situation, perhaps.

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Guys - Istaron and AboveTheRimYo, for example - the reason I take offense at the tone is that I am aware of the fact that, while some people and some whole countries think America is great, other people and countries don't. That's fine. But what I wish you would understand is that not ALL American citizens are what is projected. We have no more say - ultimately - in what our government does than you do in yours. It keeps coming across to me that you seem to hold 'we, the people' responsible when this country isn't for 'we, the people' anymore - not really. Yes, we vote on our leaders, but anyone we vote on can screw up. How are we, the individuals, now responsible for their decisions? I certainly have no say in whether or not we declare war.

It just seems that those of you who have a bad view of America and Americans due to our GOVERNMENT'S decisions are saying that we are all bad and are happy about everything. Some are, some aren't. But being rude or sarcastic certainly isn't going to get you taken seriously. And insulting people - ATRY - is going to get you ignored in the end instead of having your views considered.

Oh! I don't know why I bother! You've decided we're all a bunch of bullies.

[This message has been edited by DragonMage (edited 10-10-2001).]

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:
If we are talking inflexible, Dio really is no more so than a whole lot of people posting on this board. If he had been toting FOR American military action in Afghanistan, no-one would have given a hoot.

For the most part, he has been courteous. If he has been less so lately, I for one would put the change down to the many taunts he has received on this board for his views. He has been called a lot of ugly names by those who hold different views, and I for one respect him for having dared, as an American, to voice a set of opinions that run counter to the popular thought.

Keep on trucking Dio! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/cheer.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/xyxwave.gif

Apparently only the minority viewpoint is considered to be inflexible.

Thanks anyway, though Cheetah. I will keep on trucking http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

I don't understand why people dislike America so much, I'm from Denmark, and I think America is a fine country which has defended other, weaker countries in times of need and supply much aid to starving countries, of course, there's always the occasional joke about americans, but we tell jokes about our neighbors, the swedes, the norwegians and the germans too.

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Originally posted by Prime2U:
I think you either don't really understand what a bully is, or else you have no idea of the history of American involvement in foreign affairs. If america wanted to be a bully there would be a lot more soil with the american flag planted in it. What they are is the biggest, toughest kid on the block who protects the little kids from the neighborhood bullies. Any actions we take against foreign contries or in support of foreign countries are never designed to take them over but to protect them from totalitarian regimes. I'll grant that often our reasons for helping are not purely from the goodness of our hearts, but we've never attacked a country for our own personal gain, which is what a bully would do. You want a bully, say hello to Saddam. What pisses them off is that because of us looking over their shoulder they can't unleash the violence, and often genocide, that they would like on their neighboring countries. They don't feel we have any business sticking our nose into their beat down, slaughtering, impoverishing business. But goin back to you bully idea, if you were walking down the street and saw a bully absolutely beating someone to death, and you knew you had the power to stop it, would you walk on by? Could your concience handle that? The US would stop it with as much force as was necessary, clean the beaten kid up, bandage him, take him home and feed him, and be willing to let things end there, as long as the bully quit. If the bully kept up his attacks, the US would take him out, then feed, clothe and help out his family. Is this evil? Truly? Or is this just annoying to evil people because it curbs their plans?

I just had to make a post just to applaud this brilliant post by 2U, well posted 2U, keep up the good work!

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Originally posted by Neb:
I don't understand why people dislike America so much, I'm from Denmark, and I think America is a fine country which has defended other, weaker countries in times of need and supply much aid to starving countries, of course, there's always the occasional joke about americans, but we tell jokes about our neighbors, the swedes, the norwegians and the germans too.

One word... Israel

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