I agree with this 100%

Not just for third world nations, but also for Western Civilization and America in particular! I realize certain religions don't allow contraception, but no religion demands you have sex. If you have a child you can't care for on your own without assistance, you should never have another. This goes for the school teacher living at the end of my street, and the Afghany couple who live in a cave and everyone in-between.

People know whether or not they have the means to support children, and those who continue to have children without the "means" are perpetrating the worst form of child abuse.

I realize this was a bit off topic, but I just had to agree with the sentiment!

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The last I heard the king rejected this idea, but agreed to be a figurehead in helping set up a new government. This is probably for the best, not only has he been ousted before, but he's in his 70's, and we don't want to put too much effort into building a government around him.

Trusting there would be a peaceful turnover of power to his son, is more trust than I'm willing to extend to Afghanistan at the momenthttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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I agree also! My wife and never had children, because:

1) We could never afford to have my wife or I not work and we felt at least one of us should raise the children ourselves.

2) My wife did not want to bring up a child in the world we have today and also in the world of the future. (But we do have a cute black Cocker Spaniel named Molly!)

Children "should" be raised in a loving and healthy environment. It is sad when lots of them around the world are not so fortunate.

(Guess I'm running a bit off topic, sorry!)


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Yikes..I'm just going to tiptoe around and make one point for you. About 10 years ago those women could take care of their children just fine. Then suddenly, they weren't allowed to work anymore, and they have babies at home to feed. Plus, the women can't exactly say no to whatever man they are (oftentimes forced to be) married to, and I doubt the Taliban would approve of the Trojan man being in the country, even if the people could afford contraceptives.

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I focus the blame more on the men, in this situation, than I would normally because of the culture.

Any person who helps create children with the full knowledge they can't provide for them, or without any thought to their care is a criminal. There are many in the US. I speak from experience; I used to be such a criminal.



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Taken from that angle, I can agree with you. In many cultures in this world the women have no say in the matter - they are just left to struggle and watch their children suffer - and to die young, in many cases, both children and mother, while the male goes about proving his manhood by producing yet more children.

But there IS another way to look at it. If you KNOW there is likely to be a high mortality rate among children, due to disease or other factors, it is almost an instinctive thing to produce more. If circumstances change (like medication being availabe) it will take a long time for the habit of many births in a family to stop. It needs re-education, and many do not have education available.


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Good point in this society but not valid in their's. Don't forget that 18 is what we consider adulthood here; over there, it's more like 10-12! Since Mujahidin have seized power close to 12 years ago, that would make those children of age.

Now, I wasn't only targetting the women when I said: "If you can't take care of children, you shouldn't have children". I was mostly targetting the men. The reality of it: in the Northern Territories where the NA is in control, they both are responsible. In the Taliban regions, the men are to blame.

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Sorry F.,

But that's what I really believe. One cannot be held accountable or responsible for the action of others. Yes, I feel bad for the children but the reality of it is that this Earth is already overcrowed has it is.

Now, to the bigger scheme of things. Why exactly are you surprised? I said it before, my positions are either to the right or to the left. In this case, I'm to the right (in fact, I'm usually only to the left when it comes to health care system and equality in treatement between all segments of society... expecially people on social assistance and people that are working). For everything else, I'm pretty much right.

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That is why I trully believe that we make a mistake if we get involve in this. If we come in under the ospices of the Red Cross and start treating children, we are in effect unbalancing the system.

We are not the ones that can change them. Change can only come from one place: within. Until they're ready to change, all our involvement will really have no need at all.

Which one is better. To have a child who dies or to have a child that will suffer all is life, take arms at the age of 12 and die at 14 (I'm just illustrating a point here, I don't see all children of Third World countries doing this, please treat it just as an exemple)?


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