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And you're also right about the Dems needing to abandon the Hollywood/NYC crowd. Kerry won those states, but he lost every one of the Southern states. And the last 2 Democrats that won the office of President came from the South (Carter and Clinton). One of my college buddies put it very well. The Dem's need to regroup and figure out WHY they keep losing the South. President Bush just proved that - even though our electoral votes are small for each state - they add up quickly. I think the Dems DID make an attempt to gain the Southern vote by choosing Edwards as their VP - but now they see that gesture wasn't enough. So they need to actually give a serious look at WHY they keep losing down here. THEN they can come up with a strategy and a candidate that can win the office for them.</font> |
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BTW, did Massachusetts and Vermont allow the general public to vote on the gay marriage issue, or was it passed by the State Gov't's. I honostly can't remember, but it seems that they would have HAD to let the general public cast their votes on the issue before enacting the law. Just curious.</font> |
In both VT and Mass the whole issue got adjudicated by the State Supreme Court first. VT's was first, when in 1998 or thereabouts the Supreme Court determined that under the State Constitution, you could not deny the basic rights of marriage to non-traditional couples, such as gays. Rather than do anything, the Court gave the legislature time to fix it. The legislature came up with the Civil Union, a parallel to marriage crafted to benefit gays and other life partnership couples (such as sisters living out their elder years together).
In Massachussetts, the court also determined the same sort of thing. The legislature then certified a legal question to the Court, asking it if a Civil Union would satisfy the Mass Constitution. The Court said no, it must be marriage. In neither case was there a popular vote on the issue. However, the "take back Vermont" campaign to rip every legislator out of office who voted for the Civil Union failed pretty miserable -- though some folks did lose their legislature positions. As well, attempts in Massachussetts toward a constitutional amendment have also failed. So, in both cases, there is no popular will to undo it. [ 11-05-2004, 12:18 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ] |
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Not gonna lie, if my state legislature passed something legalizing homosexual marriage, I think you'd have a hard time rounding up enough people who actually cared one way or another enough to do something about it ... Also not gonna lie: I wouldn't be one of them :D |
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<font face="COMIC Sans MS" size="3" color="#7c9bc4">Thats one of the things I have been pointing out lately, the average American is NOT agaist gays being able to enter into a "civil" union, what disturbs them and angers them is this insistance of usurping the term marriage. Had there been a consolidated Gay stance that they just wanted equal rights, things would have turned out differently...but that wasn't good enough, the demand was made to take the term MARRIAGE and change its generally accepted meaning. Marriage is a rather important part of many christian religions....you get bad results when trying to strip people of what they consider parts of their religion.
Im not defending it, Im just pointing it out. </font> |
<font color=plum>I also found this snippet from <font color=tan>Timber's</font> article to be rather interesting....
<font color=white> Paras said she was disappointed that President Clinton has promised to sign the bill, but she primarily faulted "right-wing religious extremists who are using this issue to try and divide our constituency."</font> I love how anyone who opposes gay marriage (for whatever reason) is automatically classified as <font color=white>"right wing religious extremist"</font> or some similar label. It makes it seem as if any opposition to homosexuality and gay marriages is perpetuated by just a few religious fanatics rather than being the mainstream consensus of the general population. Again, the votes in 11 states on gay marriage amendments proves this view is NOT just held by <font color=white>"right wing religious extremists"</font>, but is actually held by a significant majority of the general population as well. Still, the Gay Rights activists and many of their supporters simply refuse to believe this is really the case, so they "demonize" any who oppose gay marriage as religious fanatics and convince themselves that most "normal people" really do support Gay Rights and Gay Marriage.</font> |
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