And therein lies the problem. I just hope it costs Bush votes.

Rush an advisor to anyone is scary. He is just an entertainer nothing more. Why would anyone think what he has to say is the total truth. I've have never seen him be balanced on any subject, and now he is going to be an advisor.

"Unofficial." That's hilarious, yet scary indeed. I can't listen to him, but every report and every quote makes his show seem like a daily love-in for Bush.

I like that he "went public" with it, as if people didn't know! Rush is many things, and subtle isn't one of them.

Good posts Timber. I thought you and others might enjoy Rush's blithe assertions of his intellectual triumph over "environmental whackos".

"Let’s count all the disproven environmental myths:
On no issue has the evidence of my foresight and keen political instincts been more compelling than that of the environment. Come, let us count the ways:
Despite the hysterics of a few pseudo-scientists, there is no reason to believe in global warming
Mankind is not responsible for depleting the ozone layer
The Earth’s ecosystem is not fragile, and humans are not capable of destroying it
The real enemies of the radical environmental leadership are capitalism & the American way of life
There are more acres of forest land in America today than in 1492
Less-developed cultures are not kinder to nature than technologically sophisticated civilizations. The reverse more often is true
Big-government regulation is not the best way to protect the environment
Many environmental groups have adopted their cause with all the enthusiasm of a religious crusade, abandoning reason and accepting many faulty premises on faith
Mankind is part of nature and not necessarily the enemy."
(from See, I Told You So. p 189-90)

These and more here...
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Rush...nvironment.htm

[ 09-14-2004, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: Lucern ]

Today's NY Times:

Mr. Bush has "created more excuses" than jobs, Mr. Kerry said in remarks prepared for delivery to the Detroit Economic Club.

"His is the excuse presidency: never wrong, never responsible, never to blame," Mr. Kerry said. "President Bush's desk isn't where the buck stops — it's where the blame begins."

He added, in his clearest terms yet of what he views as Mr. Bush's lack of accountability: "He's blamed just about everyone but himself and his administration for America's economic problems. And if he's missed you, don't worry, he's still got 48 days left until the election."

Mr. Kerry went on: "At that convention in New York the other week, President Bush talked about his ownership society. Well Mr. President, when it comes to your record, we agree you own it."

Mr. Bush has said the beginning of his presidency was hit by a recession and the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and Mr. Kerry acknowledged that not all economic ills can be laid at the door of Mr. Bush, or any president.

But he added: "He sure has a lot of excuses, but you know what? Of the last 11 presidents, many who faced war and recession, George Bush is the only one to actually lose jobs on his watch," a figure Mr. Kerry put at 1.6 million.

The Bush campaign has insisted that the president's tax stimulus policies are working and that the country has "turned the corner" on the economy. There was no immediate reaction to Mr. Kerry's remarks.

It seemed clear from the speech that Mr. Kerry has taken the advice of many of his inner campaign staff to respond strongly to the Bush campaign's attacks, and to strengthen his focus on domestic issues. The Vietnam War, a subject of controversy almost from the time Mr. Kerry won the nomination, was not mentioned once.

Mr. Kerry also replied to criticism by Bush last week of his voting record in the Senate on small business, taxes and other issues. The Kerry campaign said at the time that Mr. Bush was distorting his voting record.

Today, Mr. Kerry declared himself "an entrepreneurial Democrat," and said:

"To the small businesses and manufacturers who decide to add more employees to the payroll, we will provide a new jobs tax credit for every person you hire. And to those small business owners who want to hire more employees but cannot afford to insure them, we will give you up to a 50 percent tax cut on your health care contributions when you cover your workers."

Indeed, Mr. Kerry's was notable for the details of the steps he would take if elected president.

"First, we will create good-paying, middle-class jobs right here in America. Today, if a company is torn between creating jobs in Michigan or Malaysia, we now have a tax code that encourages you to go overseas. George Bush thinks that's right. I believe it s wrong. And as president, I will end it.

"I will close the tax loopholes that reward companies for shipping jobs overseas. Instead, we're going to use that revenue to reward companies that create and keep good jobs here in the United States of America. Under my plan, we'll cut the corporate tax rate by 5 percent, giving 99 percent of businesses a tax break."

Then, in a striking comparison between the wealthy and the ordinary worker, he said:

"Our opponents see an America where power and wealth stay in the hands of a few at the top, while everyone else is left to fend for themselves. We believe in an America where we widen the circle of opportunity for every American. An America where anyone with a good idea who's willing to work hard and take a risk can start a business and build success."

On health care, Mr. Kerry said that spiraling costs have been "enemy No. 1 in creating jobs, with the result that "too many businesses have simply decided they can't afford to hire full-time workers with good benefits."

Under his plan, Mr. Kerry said, "We're going to make you the following deal: if you have a health wellness program, we'll pay for 75 percent of your catastrophic costs. We'll improve technology in the system to bring down premiums. And we'll let you buy into the same health care program that senators and congressmen can.

"To pay for all this, we make sure that 98 percent of all Americans get a tax cut, while rolling back only the tax cuts for those who make more than $200,000 a year. Those Americans will go back to paying the same taxes you paid when Bill Clinton was president. And the rest of America will get a tax cut."

As part of his theme that the economy has been hurt by policies that have sent jobs overseas, Mr. Kerry went on: "Right now, another factory worker just suffered the indignity of having lifelong loyalty rewarded with a pink slip and a final paycheck that won t cover his family s rent.

"Right now, another young woman is watching her friends begin the college year without her because she couldn't afford to go. Right now, another boarded-up business is leaving for China, and leaving a community of devastated families behind."

That's amazing, he not only promised us the world, he didn't mention Viet Nam...

Wouldn't it be great if we didn't keep talking about ALL the issues associated with the war for BOTH men??? At some point, I'd like to know their plans -- specific plans.

Freedom CAR was a very good start for alternative energies and Bush is continuing his good work with a $4000 tax credit for fuel cell cars in his 2005 Budget plans.

Just because these individuals don't love trees more than people, does not mean they are not highly qualified.

Thanks for the left of centre links but if I wanted a liberal bias I could just turn on CNN, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news PBS, or a number of left-wing stations here in Canada.


Kerry and the Democrats fail to do anthing about the high cost of prescription drugs for years then a Republican comes in and quickly passes a bill for the benefit of senior citizens. Kerry and the Democrats promptly complain.

Bush has put a lot of money and resources into social programs (prescription drugs freedom CAR) to the chagrin of many fiscal conservatives. Actually until all the mud slinging by Kerry and Democrat supporters, many conservatives were very ambiguous about Bush. If not for move-on-dot-org and Michael Moore, Bush would probably not be doing as well in the polls.


Actually I had thought this thread was about options in the U.S. presidential election. Avoiding looking at any of Kerry weaknesses, weakens a persons argument by creating an appearance of strong bias. Unfortunetly with Kerry flip-flopping on so many issues it is hard to do a compare and contrast. With Bush, you may like his views or you may dislike his views but at least you know what his views are.

I promised myself recently not to continue once someone has discredited the source off-handedly, without offering additional supporting arguments.

Quick math test: (My) some/lots of evidence vs. (your) NO evidence = _______

Actually, now that I look back on it, nothing but the CAR info on what he *plans* to do really speaks to anything at all. It's all a lot of that meaningless diatribe and mantra you've been picking up off of NRO.com. You do know that rots your brain, don't you?

Anyway, rather than even bothering to fisk it, I'm just going to do the same thing you did, except in a more obvious fashion: simply wave my hand and dismiss your entire post as an argument so poor, it's not even worthy of a response. Enjoy.

Everyone note: Knightscape is showing us evidence of how 90% of Republicans act when you actually try to draw out a discussion on the issues. The resort to bashing (in)famous liberal, and repeating unproven mantra (e.g. democrats give away more money, democrats want to destroy the army, etc.). This is a style of argument that was beneath Ron Reagan, but we have it thanks to Rush Limbaugh. It is pop culture evolving before your eyes. Make note of it, it will be in the history books one day.

[ 09-17-2004, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

Rush is not really an official unpaid advisor. He's just making fun of certain cable news channels that have their people working for the Kerry campaign. People like Paul "The Forehead" Begalla, and James "Serpent Head" Carville.

Don't tell Rush it may damage his Ego.