I´m abit unsure of the Tetonic reference, maybe it is called something else here. We have mainly the Gothic and what we call "german) not german as it is in english. Though I know to little about this. The Part of Nordic languages to be the same is true. We have alot of references due to the Vikings were we can compare the languages.
Norway and Sweden are most alike and Danish have more continantal words than the rest. Finland belongs to another language group, Krylic I believ it would be. (I´m a bit uncertain due to swedish/english and my memory too..)

I will have to check things up to get my words nd memory correct.

Interesting with Singlish, reminds me alittle about Bladerunner, were they had a certain street talk made of chinese and english..




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Whew, back again.

Yeah Finnish and Magyar(Hungarian) are both in the Finno-Urgic(sp??) group, both originating in central Asia when the Finns had a huge territory they inhabited. Wolgir, do you know what group Lapps belong to? Or whatever happened to the Getes of southern Sweden?

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Lapp is a part of the innuit I believ, I know there are two groups of Indian heritage groups and I can never keep them apart, alittle embarrising http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

But they are a nomadic people and have lived here probably the longest.

Getes? Hmm , have to see if I can get a swedish translation of that one...

Can´t find it.. Hmm have to ask a friend of mine. he is a specialist on the human evolution and the great moves of different tribes..

That could how ever mean "Gute as in Gutarna" A people that lived during the gothic (gotisk) age in southern sweden and in eastern parts of Sweden. They did vanish and there are little references as to how and why.


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No, I was referring to the stuff I posted. Can u pronounce those? I was quoting u because u said "thanks Vaskez". I was referring to the stuff u were thanking me for http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

HEHE, silly me http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Well I can pronounce them, but they won't be right http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif especially since I don't know what the accents do.

how would "kettõ" be different to saying "ketto" in English for example?


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Yeah it is Finno-Ugric. Although Hungarin and Finnish don't have any words that sound similar, unlike say, German and English. They are similar in that the stress is always on the vowels in words as opposed to it being on the consonants in English. I always thought that english and german, dutch etc. belonged to the Germanic ethnic group, or is that the same thing as Teutonic which someone mentioned above? Almost all languages in Europe are either Romantic, Germanic or Slav. Finno-Ugric is very rare.

Vaskez, where are you posting from? Budapest? I have been to Budapest (long time ago) very nice city.

The Magyars and Finns are supposed to be of the same race, but centuries of Swedish rule on the Finnish side, and the Magyars being either surrounded or governed by Österreich, the Ottomans, Slavs etc has I guess, changed the languages somewhat.


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Yorick, I simply have to say you keep impressing me with your knowledge but also your eagerness to learn (whereas most people who know as much as you do would rest on their laurels, arrogantly assuming they know enough, you keep asking intelligent questions). Honestly not trying to lick your bootheels, just a heartfelt compliment. Wolfgir you also impress me in this respect!

The most common belief w.r.t. the origin of Germanic languages holds that they all originated from one single root language, Indo-European. However, this IE is more of a useful reconstruction based on the earliest available languages such as Vedic Sanskrit than anything else, since we never actually found texts written *in* IndoEuropean. All germanic languages branched off from this Indo European language around the same time, which is why they all belong to the same root. There are also languages that are not Germanic (because they did not branch off), but which *do* stem from IE, such as Sanskrit, Latin, Greek etc. This branching off, occurring about 4000 BC was induced by a particular shift chance called Grimm's Law (yes, the same Grimm as the fairytales http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif) This shift is the reason why we have pairs like brother-frater (IE bhrater), daughter-thygater (IE dhugheter), father-pater (IE pater), kin-genus (IE genos).
Grimm's Law can be schematised like this:
voiced fricatives --> voiced plosives
voiced plosives --> voiceless plosives
voiceless plosives --> voiceless fricatives

OK then, the Germanic Branch continued to split itself into West, East and North germanic. West Germanic developed into two strands: Anglofrisian, branching again in English (from Old>Middle>Modern) and Frisian; and German.
German split into Low and High German, from the High version, Yiddish and modern German developed, from the Low branch came, amongst others, Dutch, Flemish and Afrikaans. The second big branch, North Germanic, first split into two: West and East. From West (Old Norse) came then Icelandic, Faeroese and Norwegian, from East came Danish and Swedish. (Which is we the swedish and the norwegians keep insulting each other http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif). Lastly, the East Germanic strand is now extinct, since the only known language that sprouted from it is Gothic, which nobody speaks anymore http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif (though my dad can still say the Lord's Prayer in gothic http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif )

OK guys, now I'm going to apologise for this very long and tedious lecture, which is not even of interest to most of you http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/redface.gif
SORRY!!!!! ~bigbigpuppycutiedoggyeyes~ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif


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If anyone needs a schematic version I'd be happy to give you one...'s about a 1,000,000 times easier http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Wow, thanks Melusine - for both the kind words and the info. Didn't know about Yiddish and Gothic for example.

I think you'll find all European Languages except Basque (which Ertai speaks BTW) originated from the said IndoEuropean. Georgian is also a bit different from memory.

Cool post Mel, thanks.

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[This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 05-11-2001).]