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Hey, I work with pre-teens and teens at church. I had to go through a bit of training for that and I can't tell you how much it pains me to hear about your nephew! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/frown.gif We practice the two-adults at all times method of being sure our kids are safe from predators at youth functions. Always two unrelated adults at all events. And no child is alone with just one, ever. With the one exception of a girl, whose family I know well and who asks me to transport her to these things sometimes. I hope those boys have recovered as much as they can, Moridin. That's a shock for any child. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/frown.gif CB ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/bestow~1.jpg Storm-Queen StormCloud of the Black Knight |
Leonis. You are a sage. That post knocked me for six. A wise man versed in the diplomatic arts surely you are.
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Just trying to reach out and understand my multi-cultural friends. BK |
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I will start off by saying that I am more interested in the general implications of the issue, see above. As an issue of self-regulation of the board, I don't see so much reason for concern and actual dissent. If you include what I said of courtesy into "my" concept of mutual respect, I think we pretty much come up with "your" concept of mutual respect, Leonis. There is still one aspect where I continue to disagree with you, Cb: I just do not see the necessity to protect minors. Anything most of us could even conceive is pale to what is readily available elsewhere to any teen surfing the web. I will also reiterate that I doubt that "normal" indecency is really that harmful to kids - you already know that I mostly agree with you on the potential harm of peer pressure in such matters, but there is no peer pressure on this board, this place is much too mature for that and can you really picture a bunch of teens gathered in front of a pc to check out "nasty stuff" ending up here ? So, whom are you trying to protect ? Jerome, from inadvertently learning a word he did not know already ? Or from getting the not so mistaken notion that romantic relationships among adults usually involve sexuality and that they enjoy it and that it therefore carries over into roleplaying ? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif If you want to adhere to your personal code of conduct, that is completely understandable. But isn't that more than anything else a matter of staying within your personal comfort zone ? There is nothing wrong with doing so and also not with asking the others to respect that, even so, if whatever bothers you, was not even directed at you. And your wish should be complied with. If you call that mutual respect or "just" courtesy is not of practical relevance here. But as it is more of a personal matter and NOT one of adhering to a generally valid standard, it can also be excepted that the one feeling discomfort lets the "offender" know about it. Doing so can be an embarrassing experience, especially publicly, but we have email and I agree with Leeonis that we should strive to be considerate and try to spare anyone from having to enter his zone of discomfort in the first place. But always achieving that is almost impossible and nobody can be expected to be a mindflayer, uh, make that mind reader, either. So, that is really my main point here: much of the decency discussion earlier on here sounded to me - I might have been completely mistaken - as if the matter was one of "offender" and "victim" instead one of personal or cultural differences. Cb, much of the above was not directed at you, as you have already agreed to some, and claimed you right to disagree on some more, which I will respect. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif But I wanted to sum up my position on the board-related part of the issue, as my first post really mingled the board and general discussion aspect too much. And relax people, I'll really have to spend much more of my enery on finding a new apartment and job in the days comming up, so that will spare many more posts like this from me - in the near future ! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif Btw, Leonis, I happen to think that a - friendly - "clash of civilizations" can be among the most educating and even delightful experiences of all ! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif ------------------ So long ! R³ - Co-president(s) of the Club of Broken Hearts |
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Additionally the childs mind is like a sponge, with memory retention and absorbtion higher than an adults (clouded by preconceptions and habits). The child is still formulating opinions/morals/consequential theories that an adult already possesses. In other words, an adult knows where to draw the line and what happens if they choose to cross it. Whereas a child has not had the experience to know the results of crossing that line. (Highlighted by Leonis bravely vulnerable example.) B.K yes I suppose it is a cricket terminology. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif Blown away, bowled over, stunned, amazed, left speechless etc are all relevant idioms too. Finally, I don't think this has anything to do with "prudish" U.S. culture (where did that come from BTW) I am Australian with concern for minors to start with! Also while they may be more 'closed minded' in some areas, they are more 'open minded' and expressive in others. Let's beware of culture bashing here eh? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif All cultures have collective weaknesses and strengths let us remember. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif ------------------ O.K..... what do I do now? http://www.animfactory.com/animation...ing_lg_clr.gif A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! [This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 04-03-2001).] |
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But: there is one part of your post - the third paragraph, maybe I am misinterpreting it - that troubles me, because it appears as if you were suggesting a connection of all of the discussed here above and what you then go on to describe/report and that would be a major misconception: But there is absolutely no connection whatsoever between anything that has been going on or could even possibly ever be going on here and your report: one is behaviour that could be at the worst called indecent, the other hideous acts that are not condoned in any present culture I would know of and are penalized as most serious crimes in any country I could think of ! There is but one connection. Both involves the use of the internet, but that is highly irrevalent, since the internet is nothing but a medium. Other then that linking the two makes as much sense as linking a mildly erotic "neckbiter" romance novel available at each newsstand with an outlawed childporn magazine the possession of which equals many years in prison. Doing so would be not only be completely wrong, but would actually serve to BELITTLE the magnitude of the hideous crimes you described. Sexuality and illegal pornograghy must never be confused ! Let me end by saying that I don't mind you raising the issue and I even understand the "mental link" that made it come up here, but I'll reiterate that I will most passionately contest the slighest hinting of any actual connection. If all of the above was nothing but a misunderstanding, please forgive ! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif ------------------ So long ! R³ - Co-president(s) of the Club of Broken Hearts |
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<H3>Please check your email</H3>...But for the moment, I'm here. Why, I'll never know. I still have that blasted headache. Look, Yorick's points re: protection of minor's are valid and for the most part MY reasons. Yes, it's subjective. This whole debate is controversial and emotional because it IS subjective. But Yorick has covered some good points. Thanks, Bard o'mine. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif Cloudy ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/bestow~1.jpg Storm-Queen StormCloud of the Black Knight |
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I'm going to bed very soon, so I'll see you tomorrow anyway. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif Love talking with you Raindancer. |
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Hey, don't be a stranger...I know I have a 'steam, OFF' button around here someplace- I'll use it for a chance to chat with you, anytime you like. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif And you know how HARD that is for me, so be flattered! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif Raindancer http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/bestow~1.jpg Storm-Queen StormCloud of the Black Knight |
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