Aye, I just said 10,000 because you had already helped them out with Xzar, and that the harpers only need the money to pay the expences for the trip there, whereas Bodhi and the Shadow Thieves also need to money to pay for expences of war between each other (or atleast thats the impression I got). But, you are right of course, 15,000 is more logical.

--Kestrel--

Elm is really funny. If you read any of the FR books...there's one where he's really eccentric. Heck, he's eccentric all the time.

I'd love to see him waste Jonny....that'd be amusing.

As I thought. That's why I asked as well. It's not impossible to think that it's actually all coming down to Elminster. He is a powerful Harper, understandably able to deal out orders to (his) Harpers. On top of that, he was involved in your previous adventures in Baldur's Gate 1 (because he was a friend of Gorion's). Not to mention Gorion himself was a Harper as well. There should at least be some affinity between the Protagonist and the Harpers.

And I'm not a total idiot, I know my share of Forgotten Realms lore so you won't have to bother telling me that 'Elminster is a very powerful mage'. ;)

So, what is to be done with this idea for a module? We seem to be sidetracking again so I thought I would get us back on track.


--Kestrel--

I thought we were still right on track. We had determined the Harpers were a good alternative after all and that Elminster was a highly ranking Harper. Now there's some good possibilities in there ;)

I would realy like to see the harpers and the radiant heart join in, and i also think the cowled wizards are an option. They need someone to take down Irenicus, the pc wants to go there anyway, and in the meantime they are getting money to take you there, they can only see pluses for themselves in that deal.

TGTF, we've been over this. The Order wouldn't help the PC go after the CWs.

Sorry, i got bored and couldn't be bothered to read it all. Pardon my lazyness.

I see the Harpers as a mix of Good and Neutral motives. To explain, let me compare them to the Shadow Thief and Vampire guilds.

Bodhi and her Vampires represent a powerful extreme of Evil that is capable of taking over the entire city. The Harpers would naturally fight to utterly annihilate such a guild, as even a single Vampire could quickly vampirize dozens of other people to repopulate the guild all over again.

The Shadow Thieves are another strongly Evil force (walk into any Guildhall and Detect Evil to see for yourself) that has essentially already taken over the city in that they operate almost without interference from the guards--and it's rumored that the Shadowmaster sits on the Council of Six. Now, while the Harpers in the Galvarey Estate say that they would like to see the Shadow Thieves weakened, they would not want to see them destroyed.

I believe that the Harpers' opinion of the Cowled Wizards would be the same as their view of the Shadow Thieves, and so yes, they would sponsor the PC's trip to Spellhold. Whether the player wants to look on this as a 'Good' path or a 'Neutral' path is up to the individual (perhaps the Harper quests could include branching tasks: You can choose to do the Good or the Neutral alternative).

So just out of curiosity, is someone going to make this mod, if so i shall put my cleric/mage game on hold.