yeah yeah, been there done that, seen it all. Ziroc is lucky

Cloudbringer, sound advice. btw, I know what a bad temper is like.

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I actually agree with you NS, I wouldn't have destroyed them (My dad burned a ton of my 1970's era comics because he thought they were a waste...now we both realize how much they would be worth today [img]smile.gif[/img] )

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That's OK MagiK, I'm just arguing both ends against the middle! ;)

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As I said to Night Stalker, I am in part playing devils advocate and trying to make sure people are looking at both sides of the issue...Im not trying to negate what you said Sauceman, but I am also trying to point out the realities of being a parent and the level of responsibility that entails..it can put quite a LOT of pressure on a person and they may vent that pressure on their children some times.

I had a lot of that growing up...but in my case my father and I made our peace after I moved out and earned my own way in the world....now I look back and see yeah he was pretty harsh (far harsher than what you said about your step dad) and a lot of the violence I suffered was needless or over reaction...but..I can see the pressure he was under at the time and all in all I think the hard environment made me a stronger person and it didn't do any long term damage to me. If you are 18 then all I can say is grin and bear it...don't harbor grudges and reassess the situation as it is now a few years down the line and look at it from his side of the fence.

At 18 you will probably amass many times the number of games you may have lost
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Majik

making the rules and respecting the rules is different from bending the rules and ignoring the rules to fit one's need or making some f-worded mess up rules.

you see, you are a good dad (and I tip my hat to you), but dont you have ANY illusion that just because YOU are a good parent that all other fathers out there ARE good parents. I have the feeling that you wont have any peace if you ever work for me, but then again, I shall promot you for being firm.

but, I am saying this with the doubt that I maybe wrong, what if Steven's mother fears/resents his stepdad as much as he does? a "bad" temper can mean a lot of things. all in all, we shouldnt continue this discussion here.

[ 05-28-2003, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: Ken Rauhl ]

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I can agree with what you posted there Ken. And I do know there are some miserable pieces o shite out there posing as parents too....I wish, it were possible to keep unfit people from reproducing...but it ain't possible :( </font>

yeah yeah, been there done that, seen it all. Ziroc is lucky

</font>[/QUOTE]<font color=deepskyblue>How so? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] </font>

There is a difference between an adult discarding a kid's stuff, and an adult discarding another adult's stuff. Just because he is possibly not paying a part of the rent does not mean he does not have the right to own his own things.

<font color=deepskyblue>I agree that he should not have thrown the CD's away (and I still hold out hope that the mother intervened to prevent that). However, I also agree that the stepdad had a right to confiscate the games if he felt they were interfering with <font color=orange>sauceman's</font> school grades.</font>

<font color=deepskyblue>I agree that he should not have thrown the CD's away (and I still hold out hope that the mother intervened to prevent that). However, I also agree that the stepdad had a right to confiscate the games if he felt they were interfering with <font color=orange>sauceman's</font> school grades.</font> </font>[/QUOTE]That's where I disagree with you. He is an adult, his stepfather, or even his mother, have no more legal right over him. He is as much an adult as you. Are you saying your father would have the right to burn your house down if he felt you were not working hard enough at your job?