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Stratos

11-07-2005 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morgeruat:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
At what cost? Sure, we "gain the upper hand", but we become monsters in the process. That is not a price I'm willing to pay, or to have paid in my name.

I think the agent in Serenity (great movie, go see it) said it best, I realise I am a monster, and my ideal world has no place for me. There are people willing to take up that mantle and do things to protect and shelter the rest of the populace that would make them outcasts or criminals in their own societies, US government hitmen for example (who of course ;) don't exist) </font>[/QUOTE]Ah, but shooting some terrorist leader or drug lord is a bit different than systematically torturing potentially hundreds of prisoners, who might or might not be terrorists. ;)

Not that I accuse the US for this; I just want to get a point cross.

[ 11-07-2005, 08:11 AM: Message edited by: Stratos ]

Timber Loftis

11-07-2005 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by Sir Degrader:
Yes, but the socio-economic conditions that let him be elected (hyper inflation, loss of empire, etc) simply aren't present on this side of the iron curtain.

How naive. In case you haven't heard: no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

shamrock_uk

11-07-2005 01:19 PM

Bush says "we do not torture".

I'll leave the reader to try and reconcile that statement with this:

Quote:

The Senate has passed legislation banning torture, but the Bush administration is seeking an exemption for the CIA spy agency.

If his administration doesn't torture, why are they trying to get an exemption for the CIA? Answers on a postcard...

Also this rather cryptic remark:

Quote:

"We do not torture and therefore we're working with Congress to make sure that as we go forward, we make it more possible to do our job," Mr Bush said.

Does "make it more possible to do our job" mean that torture is a part of doing that job successfully?

Stratos

11-08-2005 03:30 PM

Well, he obviously meant White House employees don't torture. :D

Zebodog

11-08-2005 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stratos:
Well, he obviously meant White House employees don't torture. :D

I don't know about that. Have you listed to a GWB speach? :D

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