One thing would be to lock the bedroom door. Nonetheless, having gun in a household with kids requires a certain security thinking. One should weight the pros and cons of getting a gun. </font>[/QUOTE]I would think that someone who is getting a gun for home self-defense requires certain security thinking. Rural folk have different considerations than suburban and urban. Then there is the ghettos, with whole different considerations. In any home securty setting, a gun should be the last resort, not the first or primary method in my opinion.

I have never had a gun in my home, never will. My parents never had handguns in the house either until my lil brother got one at age 21. There are ways to keep the bad people at bay other than firearms.

<font color=skyblue>hey...I discovered yesterday that my black neighbor kid has a BB gun that looks like a real hand gun that would do more damage. I don't know the style types, but its a big one like the police around here carry.

I have heard stories about cops shooting kids when they see these fakes, thinking that their life is in peril. I think fake guns should not be made to appear as something else.

Oh boy...here we go down the hill of gun debate, and all my fault just because I wanted to know something about a debate in London.

Can I make one small suggestion? If you have already said something in an earlier thread on guns, please don't try to bring the old issues back again and again. Say something new, based on new intellegence you have acquired. In other words...make my thread a new episode...not a stinky rerun.

I had the intent on learning something about that debate in London. If I wanted personal views expressed before, I would have used the "search" feature on the forum.

Gracias. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

For an intelligent man like you ,Loftis, this one of the most ignorant and immature posts I've read in a while. I fail to see how socialism has anything to do with gun control (facist nations had gun control. Since you're country is the only western nation with such shitty gun laws, maybe it's time to start looking at the possible flaws in your country.

[ 10-15-2004, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: Gab ]

That might work, but there's also the problem of domestic violence.

ANY thread about guns will deteriorate into gun law discussions. I also wonder how many people here who have actually seen the debate to make it meaningful discussion. Just my 2c, though. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Amen to that. Fake guns that resemble the real thing were made illegal here as well, as some of them were used in robberies when normal fire-arms became harder to obtain.

One thing would be to lock the bedroom door. Nonetheless, having gun in a household with kids requires a certain security thinking. One should weight the pros and cons of getting a gun. </font>[/QUOTE]I would think that someone who is getting a gun for home self-defense requires certain security thinking. Rural folk have different considerations than suburban and urban. Then there is the ghettos, with whole different considerations. In any home securty setting, a gun should be the last resort, not the first or primary method in my opinion.

I have never had a gun in my home, never will. My parents never had handguns in the house either until my lil brother got one at age 21. There are ways to keep the bad people at bay other than firearms. </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=cccccc>Chewie, you used the 'bad people' line! OMG, what will Ms Peters think of you? Remember, bad people only exist in movies!</font>

What exactly is your point? Facisim and socialism both favor the formation of a strong central government that would have a lot of control over peoples lives, they just pick different methods of doing it. The fact that they seek control is the reason that they both dislike guns.

What exactly qualifies as "shitty gun laws"?

[ 10-17-2004, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: Seraph ]

Socialist don't really want a strong government just to gain control over peoples lives, they're not some kind of control freaks. To say that (some) socialists want gun control laws just to control others is just as ridiculous as saying that anti-gunlaw people want guns just to gun down people whenever they feel like.

I didn't say that the socialists wanted a strong government to gain control over peoples lives. I said they wanted a strong government that would have control over peoples lives. The fact that a socialist government gets so much control is more of a side effect then a real goal of the system.