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Flex I should have known you were an "Axis & Allies" fan, got to love Avalon Hill [img]smile.gif[/img]

One of the best weapons the allies had in WWII was Hitler's stupidity, if the Nazi's had anything other then a Lunatic running the show, we wouldn't have had a cold war between the west and Commies, it would had been between the US and Greater Germany(all of Europe) :D

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Originally posted by Dadams1:
He took his own life because people were coming to kill him, and he'd not want to give anyone that satisfaction. Plus he was insane the last months of his life because of drugs given to him by his doctor.

Who exactly was 'coming to kill him'?
I think he was insane way before the last few months of his life.
I'm sure you are fully aware of his insomnia, and anxiety attacks. Along with a condition that lead to Cerebral Hemorrhage.

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Who exactly was 'coming to kill him'?

I hope you're kidding. Remember those guys, "The Allies," who were outside of Germany, and were going to capture him and execute him?

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I think he was insane way before the last few months of his life.

Personal opinion.

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I'm sure you are fully aware of his insomnia, and anxiety attacks. Along with a condition that lead to Cerebral Hemorrhage.

Yessir. I fail to see the point?

Right, all of those Allies that "Were outside of Germany". Genau! No, they wanted him very much alive! You are aware of the Nurenberg trials?

His pre-conditions. You do understand even his personal staff thought him dead on more than one occassion due to his medical conditions.

[ 09-22-2004, 11:24 PM: Message edited by: Felix The Assassin ]

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Originally posted by John D Harris:
Flex I should have known you were an "Axis & Allies" fan, got to love Avalon Hill [img]smile.gif[/img]

I play on average 4-5 games a week myself. Wish I had people around to play the board game version with, though.

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Originally posted by John D Harris:
You are correct, to a moral relativist everything is relative so the opinions of and about 6,000,000 killed humans means nothing. But then to a moral relativist the opinions of 6,000,000,000 living humans means nothing either, including the moral relativist's opinion, so who gives a rat's rear end what a moral relativist thinks, they don't even care so why should anybody else? ;)

I wasn't asking for your personal evaluation of moral relativism, I was asking why the opinions of others would serve as a debating device against a moral relativist. Nevertheless, your opinion has been noted [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Felix The Assassin:
Right, all of those Allies that "Were outside of Germany". Genau! No, they wanted him very much alive! You are aware of the Nurenberg trials?

They couldn't even take John Wilkes Booth alive.

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Originally posted by johnny:
You forget that Bush has to answer to the Senate, Hitler didn't answer to anyone but himself.

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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:
I hear what you are saying Link, but the comparison still doesn't work. Hitler had all those powers you speak of, but Bush simply does not. Bush cannot act without consequence and is not the ultimate word on the US. Yes he is powerful, but he isn't the sole word on US internal and external policies.

Point taken. Bush may have to answer to the Senate, Bush may not have the allpowerful authority Hitler may have had, but saying that there's a restraint in Bush's ability to make decisions that are way beyond his league does not mean that both leaders were at the top of the food chain in their country. The fact that they have to 'answer' to someone or some political organ does not take away that position, or that ability to govern. In the end, Bush is able enough to work around the restraint anyway.
While the comparison Bush - Hitler may not be as drastic as my earlier post may have led to believe, I sincerely think the comparison to be valid.

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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:
Now he may convince the US population of things the rest of the world does not believe, but even on this level, Bush is nothing like Hitler, who was extremely charismatic and well liked. [Wink]

As much as I'd like to believe that Bush has no actual power due to his lack of charisma, modern day politics doesn't work quite that way, I believe. Insert charisma, and the machine will shine a bit more, productivity may rise due to well oiled parts, but the amount of power coming from the machine doesn't change one bit (I just have to be the member with the weirdest metaphors ;) )

I may be derailing the topic a bit by going from Hitler to Bush to my objections to the American political system, but it was just something I had to say. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 09-23-2004, 03:25 AM: Message edited by: Link ]

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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John D Harris:
Flex I should have known you were an "Axis & Allies" fan, got to love Avalon Hill [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John D Harris:
Flex I should have known you were an "Axis & Allies" fan, got to love Avalon Hill [img]smile.gif[/img]

I play on average 4-5 games a week myself. Wish I had people around to play the board game version with, though. [/QUOTE]Breaking out that huge board and spending 30 minutes placing hundreds of pieces doesn't sound like fun to most people, but I always smile the entire time. It is hard to play in RL though because it can take so long.

I used to play online all the time when Spring1942 was the big ladder.

You play on The Zone, Timber? What's your handle there? [/QUOTE]Ah the memories you bring back. We would set the board on Friday night, and play until??? Then start again first thing after Saturday breakfast, and hopefully be finished by dinner Sunday.

I tried the PC version once, but the AI was incomprehensible of my strategy, ending at round 10 with Tiger tanks setting in both Moscow, and Washington.