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i owrk at an electronics store and i can tell you if you have opened the game they will not allow you to return it if there is nothing wrong with it. just because if you can open it you can copy it. if a store does return it they would be stupid to do so.most major retailers though wouldnt.although i had some idiot return a ps2 game that was an error copy.he bought the game thinking it was gta3 and got it home popped it in and up popped moh:frontline.the label on the package and on the cd said gta3 but played the other. needless to say he returned it, i bought it then sold it on ebay for 250.

also did yorick try to sue disney when they portayed gypsies as rogues and or thiefs?to get that upset is just stupid. and in the game how did they portray gypsies as rogues, cause i rarely came across them.besides in real life anyone and everyone can and are thiefs.youre little old grndma yes we have arrested her for shoplifting.everyone is capable of theft.think of it this way your the bad guy trying to off the gypsies cause they are robbing from the rich to feed their poor during the wailing death. you just dont know it.or maybe the wailing death turned them mad and they started a thieving rampage. you never no expand the possibilities. image something up dont get bent over about it.

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Posted By:Medieval Dead
You would of had to have gotten a new graphics card eventally, that is if you play more games than just NwN. I upgraded from an ATI Rage Fury to a GeForce 3 about 6 months ago in preparation for NwN, Morrowind, Warcraft III, etc. because I knew the specs would be pretty high. Technology moves fast, it's a fact of life. Don't blame it soley on NwN.

That I know my friend. But it seems a little odd that "Return to Castle Wolfenstein", "Blades of Darkness", "Thief II", "Metal Gear Solid", "Half Life", "Vampire the Mascarade", all work perfectly fine on my old Voodoo3 card. But again I know that I would have to eventually upgrade.

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Right-clicking or talking (left clicking) to your Hireling gives you some options in controlling your NPC like Stand Your Ground, Guard Me, Heal Me, Use Only Ranged Weapons, Use Only Melee Weapons, Follow Me, etc. He only acts like a maniac because you are letting him.

I've tried all of those on little Tommy. Stand your ground is the only one that sort of works. Guard me does nothing but give him an excuse to get himself killed. And heal me? He can't heal me. Ranged weapons? He doesn't have any, and YOU CAN'T EVEN GIVE HIM ANY IF YOU WANTED TO! He acts like a maniac because I don't have any control over him.

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Please don't judge the game badly because you didn't read the manual or go through the tutorial patiently and don't know how to do things correctly. And I wouldn't judge the game on the tutorial alone, that's really stupid because it's such a small part of the game. Try making it past the first Chapter and then make an opinion on the game.

The game would get a 10 out of 10 from me it wasn't for the fact that you can't have more than one NPC, and for the fact that you have little or no control over that single NPC. That's my main beef.

the game wasnt ment to have a party of 5 little tagalongs like bg2 it was ment that if you were gonna have a tagalong you would have several people online as a tagalong. besides that they made the game difficulty based on you and 1 henchman. if you have more than one it makes it unfair or to easy.make the game a challenge and beat it without them.

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Actually, he does have a bow. Just talk to him and tell him you want to change his tactics. One of the options it gives is to use missile weapons (all of the characters have that option).

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Originally posted by Fionnguala MacMorna:
First, I feel I should address this "Gypsy" issue. The word itself refers to a stereotype of nomadic people who borrow from cultures and typically are entertainers or "rogues." That Romany people may or may not be gypsies is another thing. Romany people need not say that they are "gypsies," since that's actually a different term, and definately not one given to them by themselves. Let's not say that Romany = Gypsy, because it doesn't, and therefore there's no need for anyone to get their feathers ruffled.

Ah, yes they are. Romanies are Gypsies. Don't know where you're getting your information bro.

Taken from: http://www.worldlanguage.com/Languages/Romany.htm

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Romany is the language of the Gypsies. The origin of the Gypsies was long a matter of speculation. The English word "Gypsy" stems from an early belief that they came from Egypt. This has now been disproved.

The question was resolved by the science of linguistics. Detailed study of the Gypsy language has shown that the Gypsies originally came from India. The common features it shares with Sanskrit and later Indian languages can lead to no other conclusion.

The Gypsies are believed to have begun their migration westward about 1000 A.D. Loanwords in their language from Persian, Armenian, and Greek provide some indication of the general course of their travels. Today Gypsies are to be found in many countries of both Eastern and Western Europe as well as in the United States. A rough estimate of their numbers would be in the neighborhood of 5-6 million.

The name Romany is derived from the Gypsy word rom, which means "man." Dialects vary considerably, each strongly influenced by the language of the country in which it is spoken. The English word "pal" is of Gypsy origin, coming from the Romany word phral, which means "brother."

Taken from: http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/Romany.html

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The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition.■■2001.
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(rm´n, r´–)■(KEY)■, language belonging to the Dardic group of the Indo-Iranian subfamily of the Indo-European family of languages (see Indo-Iranian languages). The mother tongue of the Gypsies, Romany has about 2 million speakers, largely outside India. The Gypsies apparently began migrating from NW India westward before the 9th cent. A.D. and had reached SE Europe before the 14th cent. They now live principally in central and E Europe and in Spain, although there are groups in the Western Hemisphere as well. Romany has three main dialectal groups: Asian, Armenian, and European. In grammar it can be traced back to Sanskrit. It has borrowed considerable vocabulary from the languages of the various peoples among whom its speakers have lived and roamed. There is no important literature in Romany, but some biblical translations into Romany exist, for which both the Roman and Cyrillic alphabets were used. ■■■1
See J. Sampson, The Dialect of the Gypsies of Wales (1925); R. L. Turner, Position of Romani in Indo-Aryan (1927); J. Kochanowski, Gypsy Studies (1963). ■■■2

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The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition.■■2001.
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or Gipsies [from Egypt, because of an inaccurate idea that Gypsies came from a so-called Little Egypt], a traditionally nomadic people with particular folkways and a unique language, found on every continent; they often refer to themselves as Roma. Their language, called Romany, belongs to the Indo-Iranian family and is closely related to the languages of NW India, while their blood groupings have also been found to coincide with those of S Himalayan tribes. Gypsies worldwide are estimated to number between 6 and 7 million. ■■■1
In the course of their wanderings, Gypsies have occasionally mixed with non-Gypsy neighbors and have sometimes settled down, but they have clung tenaciously to their identity and customs. Their physical type has remained largely unaltered; most Gypsies are dark-complexioned, short, and lightly built. Their bands are still ruled by elders. Gypsies have usually adopted the religion of their country of residence; probably the greater number are Roman Catholic or Orthodox Eastern Christian. Each year in May they gather in S France from all over the world for a pilgrimage to Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer. Gypsies usually travel in small caravans and make their living as metalworkers, singers, dancers, musicians, horse dealers, and auto mechanics. Gypsy women are famous as fortunetellers. ■■■2
It is believed that they came originally from NW India, which they left for Persia in the 1st millennium A.D. Probably during their sojourn in Persia, they became divided into three main tribal divisions: the Gitanos, the Kalderash, and the Manush. Later they moved northward and westward, and are recorded as first appearing in Western Europe in the 15th cent. Alternately welcomed and persecuted by civil and religious authorities, they moved from country to country until they had spread to every part of Europe by the beginning of the 16th cent. They arrived in North America in the late 1800s. ■■■3
In modern times, and especially since the beginning of the 20th cent., various nations have attempted to end their nomadic lifestyle by requiring them to register and to go to school and learn trades. Some 500,000 perished in gas chambers and concentration camps during World War II. In 1956 the Soviet Union decreed that the last wandering Gypsy bands in that country be gradually settled in places of their choice. The countries of E Europe, where the great majority of Gypsies live, adopted similar measures under Communist rule, and most Gypsies eventually found economic and social protection, if not full acceptance. However, following the fall of Communism in the early 1990s, persecution of the Gypsies arose once more in E Europe. ■■■4
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See G. Borrow, The Romany Rye (1857, new ed. 1949, repr. 1959); I. H. Brown, Gypsy Fires in America (1924); Gipsy Petulengro’s autobiography, A Romany Life (1935); J. Yoors, The Gypsies (1967); D. Kenrick and G. Puxon, The Destiny of Europe’s Gypsies (1972); D. Mayall, Gypsie-Travellers in Nineteenth Century Society (1988); I. Fonseca, Bury Me Standing: The Gypsies and Their Journey (1995). ■■■5
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[ 07-07-2002, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

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Originally posted by theifprowess:

also did yorick try to sue disney when they portayed gypsies as rogues and or thiefs?to get that upset is just stupid. and in the game how did they portray gypsies as rogues, cause i rarely came across them.besides in real life anyone and everyone can and are thiefs.youre little old grndma yes we have arrested her for shoplifting.everyone is capable of theft.think of it this way your the bad guy trying to off the gypsies cause they are robbing from the rich to feed their poor during the wailing death. you just dont know it.or maybe the wailing death turned them mad and they started a thieving rampage. you never no expand the possibilities. image something up dont get bent over about it.

You are totally missing the point thiefprowess. It is a race of people not a class. Inaccuracies such as this in NWN only perpetuate misconception and negative stereotypes. It breeds ignorance basically.

I'd like to see a patch that replaces the word "Gypsie" with something else before a Romany/Gypsie does sue over it.

[ 07-07-2002, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

blacks white mexicans asians indians whatever they are all races of people. i could be a white gypsie therefore i am CLASSified as a white gypsie. gypsie is not a race. the one white guy they call the american taliban. he isnt of the middle east yet hes called into the class of taliban cause he associates with them.can you disprove that a gypsie has even not stolen anything?rogue as well, a rogue classifies as someone out of the norm of everyday people.gypsies traveled they did not stay stationary for to long. like most people who lived in cities so they where known as rogues. doesnt make them a bad person just different.

a**hole:definition 1 you have one between youre legs.
definition 2 you are an a**hole slang.

does everything in your dictionary have one definition or does that one word have different meanings.

im sure in youre perfect world of religion all preists dont molest little boys. but in a real world in another definition it happens.this is not a 2d world there are many sides and many definitions to everything.

i say religion is bad if it spawns preists who molest boys.and if preists are molesting boys then it is acceptable in that religion.and i wouldnt have any part of it.

you conteract and say not all preists are like that its not all about molesting boys but unity under god.you would then proceed to tell me im not being open minded and that i see it from one point of view.

well my freind your doing that right now.look at it from every angle before you judge.

and gamemakers dont breed hatred its the religious people out there who take it waaaayyyyy to literally. you get offended way to easiely. its a game enjoy it. if youre not into fantasy like this dont play it. do you think the game creators who made this game where honestly thinking "hehehe now we are gonna get those stupid gypsies back and brand them as hated rogues of the world" no, farthest thing from their minds was to breed hatred.they made a genre game that many people enjoy and you have turned it into a race issue here.

what race are you to see everything so friggin literally.you know i can see why people have to complain about the game say when it has glitches or bad quality music or just a bad storyline but no you gotta bring racist issues into this.are you prejudice to the point that anything that remotely affect or ressembles race or creed that you have to get involved.

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Posted By:theifprowess
the game wasnt ment to have a party of 5 little tagalongs like bg2 it was ment that if you were gonna have a tagalong you would have several people online as a tagalong. besides that they made the game difficulty based on you and 1 henchman. if you have more than one it makes it unfair or to easy.make the game a challenge and beat it without them.

First off, with the title "Neverwinter Nights" it's easy to corrilate this name with the rest of the Forgotten Realms which it exists in(Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale). Therefore you would think that the developers (Bioware) would create NWN to be consistent with the award-winning games of BG and IWD, only with enhanced 3D graphics and a few new additions. That is if they were SMART! But to change the entire combat style and party options, I think was an ENORMOUS blunder! And obviously it would make no sense under the current "engine" or "make up" of the game to allow for more than two party members. But for the life of me I can't figure out why they designed the game as (basically) a single player game!!??!!??

rogue Pronunciation Key (rg)
n.
An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person; a scoundrel or rascal.
One who is playfully mischievous; a scamp.
A wandering beggar; a vagrant.
A vicious and solitary animal, especially an elephant that has separated itself from its herd.
An organism, especially a plant, that shows an undesirable variation from a standard.

adj.
Vicious and solitary. Used of an animal, especially an elephant.
Large, destructive, and anomalous or unpredictable: a rogue wave; a rogue tornado.
Operating outside normal or desirable controls: “How could a single rogue trader bring down an otherwise profitable and well-regarded institution?” (Saul Hansell).

Gyp·sy also Gip·sy Pronunciation Key (jps)
n. pl. Gyp·sies
A member of a people that arrived in Europe in migrations from northern India around the 14th century, now also living in North America and Australia. Many Gypsy groups have preserved elements of their traditional culture, including an itinerant existence and the Romany language.
See Romany.
gypsy One inclined to a nomadic, unconventional way of life.
A person who moves from place to place as required for employment, especially:
A part-time or temporary member of a college faculty.
A member of the chorus line in a theater production.

odd they both have different definitions not all meaning the same thing.