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Jaradu 08-27-2004 06:21 AM

They all seem to be in order. I reinstalled the latest Catalyst driver for my Radeon 9600 just incase.

Maybe I'm missing some codecs? The audio loads but the I can't actually see the movie. And I can't skip the movie as normal. I tried to wait for it to finish but it keeps crashing halfway through....

Oh, and I lost all my savegames o_0

Memnoch 08-27-2004 06:55 AM

Have you tried reinstalling?

The other thing you could do is run System Restore if you have an earlier restore point, and check your settings from before.

Jaradu 08-27-2004 07:00 AM

Okay, good idea. I'll just.... whaa? Who disabled my System Restore?! :confused: :(

Reinstalled as well, to no avail. I've also contacted Activision's Support group to see if they can shed some light.

BTW, appreciate your help, Memnoch [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
And thanks to johnny for the previous help [img]smile.gif[/img]

Memnoch 08-27-2004 08:19 AM

It really does seem like there's been some kind of conflict with your videocard, Jaradu, that's all I can think of. :(

Anyway, that site I mentioned before seems to be working now:

http://shogun.cafe24.com/medieval/

Luvian 08-27-2004 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jaradu:
Huh? Biiig problem!

I can't run Medieval: Total War!

Whenever I try to load it, it just stays on a black screen so I have to press ESC to get out, at which point it does the whole WIN XP "We are sorry for your inconvenince... blah, blah... shut this program down".

The last thing I installed was the Windows XP Service Pack 2... hmmm....

ADD) Okay, after turning on the sound ( :rolleyes: ) it turns out that the intro movie is playing... I just can't see it...

It's probably because of the service pack 2.

Dreamer128 08-27-2004 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnny:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jaradu:
Question: How do I send troops through neutral/allied provinces without turning them hostile? :rolleyes:

And is there any way to get troops through a hostile province without being attacked (eg. if your objective is blocked by a province)?

Thanks.

No go, sending troops into hostile lands will always lead to a battle, unless they retreat. Sending troops through neutral lands will turn them hostile towards you, unless it's an army on a crusade. That's the only way to move through neutral lands without making new enemies. </font>[/QUOTE]How do you send troops to join a crusade?

Luvian 08-27-2004 05:33 PM

Drop them on the crusade unit, but you can't take them out after that.

Jaradu 08-27-2004 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luvian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jaradu:
Huh? Biiig problem!

I can't run Medieval: Total War!

Whenever I try to load it, it just stays on a black screen so I have to press ESC to get out, at which point it does the whole WIN XP "We are sorry for your inconvenince... blah, blah... shut this program down".

The last thing I installed was the Windows XP Service Pack 2... hmmm....

ADD) Okay, after turning on the sound ( :rolleyes: ) it turns out that the intro movie is playing... I just can't see it...

It's probably because of the service pack 2. </font>[/QUOTE]Just uninstalled SP2.... problem persists :(

Dreamer128 08-27-2004 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luvian:
Drop them on the crusade unit, but you can't take them out after that.
Thanks. [img]smile.gif[/img] Does the crusade unit have to be in a neighbouring province?

[ 08-27-2004, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: Dreamer128 ]

Memnoch 08-28-2004 01:49 PM

Another question...do you guys normally group your like units when in battle? eg spears together in one or two large groups, swords on the flanks in two large groups, cavalry together...etc.

StigTC 08-28-2004 02:16 PM

I always group them together for some reason.
I never use the groups for anything but setting them up in formation though.

Jaradu 08-28-2004 02:36 PM

Wahey! It works again, now! [img]smile.gif[/img]

It turns out that it was this new codec pack I installed. It looked really good because it literally had hundreds of different codecs put together in one package. Obviously, they must have been older codecs, not allowing me to play the game.

Well, my savegames are all gone, but at least I've now got a teensy bit of experience so my next game can be easier. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Memnoch 08-28-2004 03:02 PM

Good to hear mate. I've just taken over Anatolia after a pretty tough battle to oust the Turks...this was the first battle where I felt I executed my tactics to perfection - my van surged in early with crossbowmen raining death on their spears, then they had to break to chase me, so they lost their formation, then I sent my chivalric men at arms in a long double rank to wrap around their spearmen and chop them to shreds. As their Ghulam bodyguard cavalry charged I then moved up my chivalric sergeants to take the charge, which basically gutted their cavalry, then my feudal knights then took them in the flank, basically wiping out the Ghulams and taking two Turkish princes and the Turkish general prisoner in the process. As the Ghulams disintegrated their reserve force routed, and I then unleashed my steppe cavalry to run them down.

It was an excellent battle - I was outnumbered but I felt like I really got a handle on my tactics and they worked to perfection. I executed all prisoners, of course. :D

Jaradu 08-28-2004 03:57 PM

Hahahha, great tactics :D [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

You merciless devil, you... ;)

Memnoch 08-28-2004 04:07 PM

I'm starting to pay more attention to things like how deep my spearman ranks are, how to place my crossbowmen, when to hold my knights back for a charge, and all that sort of stuff I never really worried about before - this game gets better the more you play it. :D

Jaradu 08-28-2004 04:45 PM

Cool [img]smile.gif[/img] . Are there any good M:TW tactical websites which can teach me some stuff? Or perhaps some is willing to write a huge report on every single point [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

frudi_x 08-28-2004 11:04 PM

Jaradu, a couple of links for you:
- two excelent guides on the basics of the game and the various units
- a very good FAQ
- and some number-crunching

enjoy the reading! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Jaradu 08-28-2004 11:12 PM

WOW! Thanks, frudi_x! I seriously cannot thank you enough [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] . You've made all my battles from now on a hell of a lot easier. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Memnoch 08-29-2004 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by frudi_x:
Jaradu, a couple of links for you:
- two excelent guides on the basics of the game and the various units
- a very good FAQ
- and some number-crunching

enjoy the reading! [img]smile.gif[/img]

I've been reading that guide, it's excellent. :D

Memnoch 08-29-2004 03:50 AM

Basically, the formula is:

spears beat cavalry
cavalry beat swords
swords beat spears

That's basically the crux of it. :D

frudi_x 08-29-2004 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Memnoch:
Basically, the formula is:

spears beat cavalry
cavalry beat swords
swords beat spears

That's basically the crux of it. :D

talk about scratching the proverbial surface :D

StigTC 08-29-2004 10:43 AM

Simple, but efficient. [img]smile.gif[/img]
And if you get the chance, always attack from the side or the rear. Especially with cavalry, they can make an entire unit rout with a single charge if you're lucky.

Memnoch 08-29-2004 12:28 PM

Anothing tip I found while reading that guide and testing it in my game is that if you're trying to chase down routing opponents with cavalry, rather than clicking on them, double click a point just beyond them. Your cavalry will run OVER the routers on its way to the point and basically decimate them under your horses' thundering hooves. Love the squishy sound effects when that happens. :D

General Nosaj 08-30-2004 10:13 AM

Don't forget hills!

StigTC 08-30-2004 11:43 AM

True, never attack uphill, and if you can position your own troops on the top of a hill.
Your charge and defence will benefit greatly from that.

Djinn Raffo 08-30-2004 10:11 PM

Always attack.

Oblivion437 08-30-2004 10:28 PM

If there are cannons, please tell me the walls are strictly for looks!

Memnoch 08-31-2004 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oblivion437:
If there are cannons, please tell me the walls are strictly for looks!
Even with mangonels, the walls become strictly for looks :D

StigTC 08-31-2004 07:11 AM

I never attack castles anyway, it's a waste of perfectly good troops. I always starve the enemy out, I'm not in a hurry.

Oblivion437 08-31-2004 08:58 AM

I suppose you're right Memnoch, but that's only if you can get a mangonel or Trebuchet close enough.

Trebuchets are only effective to some, what is it, yards or feet? I forget, well I believe it's 900 yards...That's not much...Before the cannon that was the longest ranged (the windlass version, at least) and most accurate artillery piece of its day.

A cannon, on the other hand, can work at twice that distance. A few well-placed shots with weight and velocity that was worlds apart from previous weapons allowed it to be used to directly bring down the toughest turrets with ease.

Not to mention, a cannon, even the horridly primiitive fall-apart-with-each-shot kinds, could be reloaded and fired again much faster than any previous artillery piece.

Unless it was that Turkish Super Gun, but that's another story.

Memnoch 09-02-2004 06:17 AM

What default size does everyone use for their armies, by the way? Does anyone play on HUGE? I've got mine on DEFAULT, so I have 20 Royal Knights in a unit, 100 spears, 60 swords, etc...

StigTC 09-02-2004 09:35 AM

I use default unit size as well.
Simply because you don't gain anything from increasing the size, all the enemies get twice as big units as well, and production times double which I certainly don't need.

Memnoch 09-03-2004 07:07 AM

Here's some other questions about tactics...

When meeting your enemy in the field, what general tactics do you use?

Do you split your armies and have a second flanking army or do you keep the whole army together moving in formation?

Do you keep a reserve? If so how big?

What about your van, what's normally in your van?

How much time do you spend in getting into position, etc.

Do you normally have your general charging in, or do you hold him back, as a reserve?

How do you layer your troops?

Jaradu 09-03-2004 08:28 AM

I do not spend any time getting into position - I just hit "Begin battle" straight away.

When I start, I move the camera towards the enemy as far as possible. I examine what order he has his troops in. For example, he might have his cavalry, soldiers, then spearmen. In that case, I would rearrange my army into spearmen, cavalry, soldiers. However, keeping my troops one-behind-the-other is usually a bad idea, so I send a couple of units round the sides to try and attack them at an angle.

I don't make reserves - If I want reinforcements, I'll keep back some units myself.

Van? What's that?

I almost never use my general in battle unless absolutely neccessary. If he dies, pretty much all my troops will run.

All my frontline troops are usually put in wedge formation (unless the enemy is bigger than them, eg. cavalry) for a hard hit at the beginning, while the units behind are in close formation to back them up by destroying all remaining troops that manage to break through the wedge.

Bozos of Bones 09-03-2004 11:00 AM

I have my general at the head of the charging lines, but he doesn't charge. He stands his ground and just gives morale bonus to troops. I usually send two cavalry units, a heavy and a light, way out of the battlefield, as that enables me to make devastating flanking attacks and gives more view. I place my archers(minimum 2 units) and a halberdier sqad in a forest to pepper down arrows and my main swordsmen and heavy cavalry on the front lines. If Almohads, I plant some 5-6 units of Hashishin(craziest unit in the game) along the battlefield(on the field, they're invisible), and have them attack when the enemy almost crosses them(they have no fear, they're stoned [img]smile.gif[/img] ). I use mostly melee footmen for the brunt of the attack and specialists to flank. If the enemy is heavy on horse, and I'm out of spearmen for some obscure reason, I use light cavalry to wear them down, and then crush them outside the main battlefield with my fresh and experienced heavy horse. I use artillery only when attacking castles, or if I know the enemy has slow units(heavy footmen etc.), because artillery, especially cannons, scare even the thoughest of commanders. I always attack with atleast half of the attacking force in reserve. I'm not sure what you mean by van.

Memnoch 09-03-2004 01:01 PM

Van for vanguard...usually the advance force of a medieval army. Usually the first into combat, followed by the centre (usually protected by flanks of cavalry) then the rearguard (the reserve).

I used to split my army up and have some infantry trying to flank, but lately I've realised that unless those troops are elite or have spears to protect them a cavalry charge tends to rout them, so I've started to group them all together (it helps not that I've learned that selecting multiple units and Alt-leftclick moves your entire formation together :D ). If I split a force from my main body it will usually be cavalry, so it can move quickly and flank.

I ALWAYS keep a reserve if I can - usually one unit of cavalry and/or at least two units of polearms or axes, that I can use to plug holes if I need to.

In my van, I normally have my foot archers/crossbowmen at the front (ever since I realised that crossbows can't arc their fire I put them in front), followed by a spear wall, with some swords in a long double line behind them. My van's almost always made up of foot. Once my spears engage the enemy and my swords wrap, I bring up my centre and my flanks. I found that having a van really helps in pinning my enemy and makes it easier to get my support units to engage.

I do spend a bit of time grouping my units and making sure they're in the right formation before I click on Begin Battle. I hate that mad clicking of trying to sort out your troops when the enemy's moving towards you - makes me nervous. :D

So basically I'm like:


</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"> crossbows
spear wall (at least 4 deep)
s w o r d l i n e
Cavalry General Cavalry
Reserve (swords/axes)</pre>[/QUOTE]I found this formation in that guide that StigTC posted and found it very useful. :D

StigTC 09-03-2004 06:16 PM

I posted a guide?

But that formation show is pretty much what I use too, except that there's rarely any archers/crossbows and almost never a reserve.

DalekBoy 09-03-2004 09:24 PM

Just kill the germans, then march your best assassin into the papal states and whipe the floor with that pope!

Chewbacca 09-04-2004 01:28 AM

My typical army configuration and tactics depend on its role either as a defender or an attacker. I spend a good while scouting the terrian andpositon my units before clicking 'begin battle'.

For a defense army I usual have:

4 spears/anti-calv. infantry
2-4 ranged( usually archers)
1-2 heavy infantry
1-2 anti-armor infantry
2-6 calvery ( including usually the General)

I find a nice hill near the edge of the map and position infantry in a semi circle with rows of archers behind them. I set the spearmen to hold position and hold formation and turn off the archers fire at will a group all of them together then set them to hold positon as well. My general stands just behind the last row of archers with infantry mix at his sides. Finally I cover the flanks with a mix of light and heavy calvary on both sides.

I send out some light calvary to harrass the enemy while they march to my position with the hope of routing thier archers and luring thier calvery out to take a flank attack from some more of my calvary. The AI will almost always pursue my general so I sometimes take the general out as bait for this manuever. I will allow the enemy's spearmen to pursue my calvery into an ambush from my ranged attackers and heavy infantry as well. Luring calvery into woods with hidden spears lying in wait is a nice tactic as well.

If I haven't routed the enemy by the time they line up in front of my position, I continue to harrass ranged and non-spear infantry units with my calvary while concentrating ranged attacks on the advancing spear ranks. I send out my heavy infantry and militia to meet any infantry they send up the hill towards me and try to take out their spearmen from the flanks in order to give my calvary more room to harrass thier ranged units. If they charge with calvary I let my spear ranks take the blow and attack the calvery flanks with my own calvary and a reserve of spear I keep back just for the occassion.

Once they are running away ( and they always do! :D ), I unleash all my fast units to persue and take the easy pickings. If they regroup or call for reinforcements I will reform my postions, withdraw depleted units and pull fresh units from my reserves if I have any( I usually do). Then I rinses and repeat as nesseccary! :D

I'll post my offensive army/tactics later.

[ 09-04-2004, 02:07 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

Memnoch 09-04-2004 03:58 PM

Interesting, Chewy! :D I always get a bit impatient when I'm defending.

I just played a custom battle to check out the Muslim factions, and I have one thing to say - CAMELS ROCK!!! :D


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