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C'mon guys. Lets keep our tempers in check hey? ;)

Dagorion, you're stating controversial opinion as gospel truth. Much of what you've said can be countered, so bear that in mind.

There's a lot of sketchy information in this thread at best, so let's keep cool heads and not forget the distinction between fact and speculation. ;)

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Originally posted by Jeffi0:
It's been a long time, but I think I remember that Buddha was just a very wise man. I dunno though, that coulda been some other religiuos figure.

Like Confucious? Or Solomon? ;)

Almost all of the stuff in the Bible did happen. The parables didn't happen, but it doesn't read the parables from a first person point of view. It usually says "Jesus proceeded to tell the assembled the story of a mustard farmer". While the mustard farmer may have been completely made up, the fact that Jesus told the people about a made up mistard farmer is not; he did tell them. So, what the Bible says is true.

I know its very controversial and can be proven wrong but I’m looking for someone I can have a REAL discussion with, someone who has hard evidence that can counter mine. And all of the arguments I have herd today I have herd before and have proven wrong as best I can. I want new evidence presented to me that can actually prove me wrong not the same old arguments. I’m sorry if this is angering anyone but That’s just how I feel.

Trouble is, there really isn't very much "evidence" at all. All we have is the Bible and the teachings passed on through preists. And, of course, our own faith. But other than that, there isn't much left from thousands of years ago that can serve as hard evidence.

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Originally posted by Jeffi0:
Almost all of the stuff in the Bible did happen. The parables didn't happen, but it doesn't read the parables from a first person point of view. It usually says "Jesus proceeded to tell the assembled the story of a mustard farmer". While the mustard farmer may have been completely made up, the fact that Jesus told the people about a made up mistard farmer is not; he did tell them. So, what the Bible says is true.

Ok i'll admit, not everything in the Bible is a metaphor but many of the tales are representing a lesson and metaphors are very easy to get wrong.

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Originally posted by Dagorion:
I know its very controversial and can be proven wrong but I’m looking for someone I can have a REAL discussion with, someone who has hard evidence that can counter mine. And all of the arguments I have herd today I have herd before and have proven wrong as best I can. I want new evidence presented to me that can actually prove me wrong not the same old arguments. I’m sorry if this is angering anyone but That’s just how I feel.

I sorry I mean no offance but I haven't seen one hard fact for your side of the argument yet.

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Originally posted by Jeffi0:
Trouble is, there really isn't very much "evidence" at all. All we have is the Bible and the teachings passed on through preists. And, of course, our own faith. But other than that, there isn't much left from thousands of years ago that can serve as hard evidence.

... Hard evidence... OK wrong word.... how about supported evidence. (That doesnt involve maths)

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Originally posted by Dagorion:
Well here is a list of times and names of God's manifestations;
5000 BC Unknown (I dont know about this one but thats what I have in front of me)
2000 BC Krishna (Started the Muslim religion I think, but I have a very bad memory of these things I was taught a while ago)
1330 BC Moses (I'll give you a guess what he started [img]tongue.gif[/img] )
1000 BC Zoroaster (Little known Faith compared to many others called Zoroasterism from one of those middle eastern religions, not around much anymore)
560 BC Buddha (Started Buddism)
1 AD Christ (Christianity origionaly then that split into a rediculus number of sects that all seem to hate each other but claim to be the one true religion and maintain that Christ hasnt returned yet)
622 AD Mohammad (I cant believe I cant remember this one, Muslim Faith I think or maby Hinduism)
1844 AD The Bab (Was the first Manifestation of my Faith and kind of cleared the way for the next one)
1853 AD Baha'u'llah (Started my Faith the Baha'i Faith, for some reason many havent heard of it even though it is one of the largest and fastest growing religions in the world)

And just because we dont call Buddism a religion doesnt mean God and Buddha didnt intend it to be. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Rather odd that a person who's supposed to be a 'messenger of God' would have this to say don't you think?

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Originally spoken by the Buddha:
If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Why does he order such misfortune
And not create happiness but only discord?
If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Why prevail deceit, lies and ignorance
And he such inequity and injustice create?
If the creator of the world entire
they call God, of every being be the Lord
Then an evil master is he, (O Aritta)
Knowing what's right did let wrong prevail!

Seems to directly contradict what you're saying Dagorion.

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Originally posted by Dagorion:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jeffi0:
Almost all of the stuff in the Bible did happen. The parables didn't happen, but it doesn't read the parables from a first person point of view. It usually says "Jesus proceeded to tell the assembled the story of a mustard farmer". While the mustard farmer may have been completely made up, the fact that Jesus told the people about a made up mistard farmer is not; he did tell them. So, what the Bible says is true.

Ok i'll admit, not everything in the Bible is a metaphor but many of the tales are representing a lesson and metaphors are very easy to get wrong.</font>[/QUOTE]How much of the Bible have you actually read Dagorion?