Isnt it a bit like saying "hey Mr terrorist, we are going to kill you, but why dont you have a nice holiday first"

The whole point is moot as far as I can see in that, apparentley we are only bombing terrorist bases of operation, so why wait, were gonna bomb them anyway.

The only consideration should be given to the thousands of innocent civillians, and were not bombing them are we?

Interestig P.O.V. Ryanamur. Cheers bro.



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Then maybe we should question our allies loyalty in all this. Which one is more important: to stop the terrorist or recognize a holiday that in the past even Muslims have battled on?

Personnally, I think that the terrorists are more important to get. Though I don't agree with the present way of doing it, the fact remains that it's the road that was chosen to deal with it.

Plus, if we stop the bombing, it effectively shows that we are more concerned about perception than the real danger here. In the long run, that could play against us to. The world think that Bush will not stop until he finds THEM all. When they are all dead, then we will calm down. Until now, he's done everyting to prove this right. People, I fear, did side with us more out of fear than anything else. They see him as an enraged pitbull that will kill! They fear our might so they join us. Show them too much compassion and they'll think that you're weak. They'll kick you in the ball and run. Leaving us effectively with no allies.

Strategicly and politically speaking it could be just as dangerous to stop the bombing than to just keep going.

Ronn, I know, you're proud of me http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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This is why we must work with them, while stressing that there is no time off in war. The leaders of these countries, Muslim or not, understand this. They know the world doesn't stop for Ramadan any more than it does for Christmas or Hannakkah.

If we postpone bombing during Ramadan, when is the next significant holiday we have to "shut down" for?

Those in the Muslim world, who are angry at the bombing to start with, will still be angry if we stop to respect Ramadan. Those who are in favor will understand the need to continue. There will be exceptions in both cases which may create converts, but you can't make everyone happy. You never will.

While organized religious holidays are more universally recognized, September 11th was special to many of those who would die. Some, no doubt, had considered that day to be especially sacred. There were those who had decided September 11th was THE DAY to dedicate their lives to their religious belief, those who had decided to rededicate their lives to their beliefs, and those who had planned to have a special time of worship with their higher power. Anyday can be special to anyone for any number of reasons.

Those who where killed September 11, including Muslims, will never celebrate another Ramadan. Should their executioners, and those who supported their actions, be given special consideration because they're still here?

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I now no longer "merely" respect you, I'm actually starting to like you quite a bit http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/scream.gif


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Well, I guess I just "revived you" after killing you a few times http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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I question some of our "allies" in the long run anyway, war can burn bridges after building them. I know some of them were Talibon supporters before september 11th. Now is a different story, only a fool-hardy nation would want to be seen as harboring terrorists after 9-11. ahem, Now that we've stepped on the tigers tale, stepping off can be as hard as staying on.

Wether or not they are Taliban supporters is irrelevant. IMO, the ennemy are terrorists not the Taliban. I'm more worried about a anti-American (or Western Civilization) nation (though they might not say they are) leaving our ranks. A few come to mind (Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan). A supportive leader is very nice but all leaders can be removed - especially in that part of the world. If we end up loosing to many of them, we will be drawn into a long and verrrrry bloody conflict. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

Bombing or not bombing is really another one of those "you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't" situation... And I really don't like them. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

I like your tiger analogy BTW http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif.

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I too, question our allies. After all, we are supporting the Northern Alliance for a good cause. If they turn into disgusting monsters like the Taliban did, it will be America's fault just like it was when bin Laden became an evil monster. (We save our troops by helping a front that wants the same thing that we do and we are forever responsible for them in some's eyes. Kind of like the ancient thought that if you save a man's life you are responsible for it) No matter what you do, you will be condemned.



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Liliara, I too think that we should be weary of the Northern Alliance. But also I believe the success of our operations in Afghanistan will have a political determination not a military one. Our "end", in Afghanistan will not be found by the death of Al Queda, or the Taliban. Only when a legitimate government can be put in place, will we see the close of the Afghan chapter on the "War on Terrorism" then what?....Iraq is next!......Wanna make a bet? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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