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Originally posted by 250:
keep looking for cause and effect, good luck, while we hunt down the dogs http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

you do your spiritual research, and we do our man reseach at afhag, fair? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...s/biglaugh.gif

I guess that'll be a 'no', then.

Not sure what you mean by spiritual research, 250. Cause and effect can be found by looking at what has gone on in the past. In my book, that's called HISTORY. Maybe you've heard of it.

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:
I guess that'll be a 'no', then.

Not sure what you mean by spiritual research, 250. Cause and effect can be found by looking at what has gone on in the past. In my book, that's called HISTORY. Maybe you've heard of it.

then you search for books, we search for bin Laden http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Originally posted by 250:
then you search for books, we search for bin Laden http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

You just don't get it, do you 250. And you don't want to. Thinking hard work, huh? You just carry on, babe..... When world war III hits you in the face, don't come crying.......

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Originally posted by AboveTheRimYo:
Though i cant say i agree with people using an RPG board to spout off about terrorism, ive finally buckled & decided to have my 2 cents worth as well, so here it is:

Its a fact of life, that if your a bully at school, and you go around bossing people, telling them how to live, and beating up those who disagree with you (your just protecting your 'freedom' to be obnoxious to others right?) then sooner or later some of the kids you've picked on are going to join together & have a go at you, even if its only to prove they dont like being pushed around.

Of course, if your by far the biggest, toughest kid in the school then everything that you do is 'right' and 'good' and 'the only way' since no-one can beat the crap out of you (usually all that kind of kid understands) to prove otherwise. an IMPORTANT thing to realise is that sooner or later a new kid will come along who's tougher, and will knock you off the top of the hill. Watchout when that happens, because everyone who you've bullied while you were no.1 is going to take advantage & get theirs back on you, and some people have very long memories.

Even the "Holy" Roman Empire crumbled into nothing after 1000 years of glory. No 'bully' ever stays at the top forever, no matter how much self-reighous rubbish he spouts to his followers in trying to keep his gang together.

Most bullies (in my experience) never learn this lesson, and continue to victimise, lecture, or provoke whomever they please right up until they are brought back to earth with a broken nose. Then all of a sudden they find themselves being unpopular, and wonder why are other people cheering my suffering? Ive never, ever, hurt anyone else before.........have I?

THANKFULLY the world is too big a playground for just one bully (im sure lots of dictators in third world countries would love the job though).

On a different topic, ive noticed that a recent terrorist attack on some American buildings has been blamed (not PROVEN yet, just blamed) on a group of Muslims from Afghanistan. Ive also noticed that most Muslims hate the idea of Jews currently occupying Jerusalem, and its also a fact that America gives Israel 100 BILLION dollars a year in 'foreign aid' (you have to love terms like that one) as well as supplying the Jews with the vast majority of their weapons, despite publically remaining "neutral" on the issue.

As with most dilemmas, the easiest solution may be to find a scapegoat as quick as possible (who should be publically burned at the stake just like in the good ol' middle ages) , completely ignore all of the issues and moral ramifications involved, and hope that life will go on as usual, because after all- the 'good guys' got their man, or a least someone to blame for everything.

Often those who refuse to look inside themselves would prefer to live in fear of what they might find, rather than face the struggle of conquering their own inadequecies.

Absolutely! The Taliban are the bullies pushing around the populus, and we're the tougher kid! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/badass.gif

Here's to the Taliban!http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/moon.gif

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:

You just don't get it, do you 250. And you don't want to. Thinking hard work, huh? You just carry on, babe..... When world war III hits you in the face, don't come crying.......

haha, cry for chicken little for all you want, WWIII? yeah, right, sky is falling, sky is falling, sky is falling...

YOU just don't get it, do you? how about I tell you your mother will be bombed tomorrow? yeah, harsh, but face it, it is VERY REAL DANGER. and if you dont do something about it, you are gonna pay for your indecisiveness, or sympathy, in this case. hardly applausible

looking back through history, how did WWI start? how did WWII start? what was the major conflict? what are the two sides of conflicting party? what do they present? what contradicts their benifits?

that is why we are singling out our enemy as TERRORISM. damnit, face the hard truth. we are SINGLING them out, so that the warfare will not spread or ran out off hand.

if you want to go back into history, you got to look at events for the truth, not just what it seems to be.

you say WWIII, so who are western nations waring against? Muslim world? well, WHO IS SUPPORTING bin Laden? except Saddam. as I said, terrorists are the ONLY few of the large population. Terrorists' design is not neccissarily the design for afhag people. THAT is what we have to show here, we have to make them understand that Bin Laden is a LIE.

what we should not do is to sit back, going through books to find support for inaction. as you could see, inaction had never once solved any problems. the longer you wait, the more casualty you will suffer.

don't dont be too hasty to point fingers that we are blindly react. OPEN YOUR EYES, Bush had executed a purposeful, well-thought plan so far. he had a GOAL in his mind that is to war against Terrorism, not afhag people. THAT IS THE DIRECTION! got it?

my last post with you

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Originally posted by 250:

haha, cry for chicken little for all you want, WWIII? yeah, right, sky is falling, sky is falling, sky is falling...

YOU just don't get it, do you? how about I tell you your mother will be bombed tomorrow? yeah, harsh, but face it, it is VERY REAL DANGER. and if you dont do something about it, you are gonna pay for your indecisiveness, or sympathy, in this case. hardly applausible

looking back through history, how did WWI start? how did WWII start? what was the major conflict? what are the two sides of conflicting party? what do they present? what contradicts their benifits?

that is why we are singling out our enemy as TERRORISM. damnit, face the hard truth. we are SINGLING them out, so that the warfare will not spread or ran out off hand.

if you want to go back into history, you got to look at events for the truth, not just what it seems to be.

you say WWIII, so who are western nations waring against? Muslim world? well, WHO IS SUPPORTING bin Laden? except Saddam. as I said, terrorists are the ONLY few of the large population. Terrorists' design is not neccissarily the design for afhag people. THAT is what we have to show here, we have to make them understand that Bin Laden is a LIE.

what we should not do is to sit back, going through books to find support for inaction. as you could see, inaction had never once solved any problems. the longer you wait, the more casualty you will suffer.

don't dont be too hasty to point fingers that we are blindly react. OPEN YOUR EYES, Bush had executed a purposeful, well-thought plan so far. he had a GOAL in his mind that is to war against Terrorism, not afhag people. THAT IS THE DIRECTION! got it?

my last post with you

250, I don't agree with you at all. (Did you expect anything else?? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif )

There are many points I could point forward here, but I won't, as I think our whole orientation and world views are different, and we just don't understand one another.

So let's leave it there, and agree to disagree.

Shake, brother??

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[This message has been edited by Silver Cheetah (edited 10-09-2001).]

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Originally posted by skywalker:
AboveTheRimYo

Americans don't take criticism very well (if you didn't notice yet)!

Mark

Actually, Mark, I can take the criticism. It's the sarcasm I don't appreciate and the initial post plus replies just seemed to drip with the stuff. Sarcasm is counterproductive in most cases. Unless the point is to tick people off.

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:
250, I don't agree with you at all. There are many points I could point forward here, but I won't, as I think our whole orientation and world views are different, and we just don't understand one another.

So let's leave it there, and agree to disagree.

Shake, brother??

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:
Grand Ranger - the rest of the world does have a right to an opinion, you know. The actions that America takes, as in the past, will impinge on the lives of us all around the globe. This being the case, it is crucial that we comment on and discuss what is happening, and make our views known to our own political leaders. I have mailed both Tony Blair and President Bush. I am not an American, but as a global citizen, I wanted to make to make contact with your president.

This 'how dare you have the gall to judge us' attitude is part of what's got America into this situation in the first place.

Aperentaly you didnt read my other post.

Or if you did you, you are ignoring it to get your point across.

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Originally posted by 250:
How can we justify for NOT TAKING ACTION, so that more people might die? Interesting...

These kind argument can be easily termed as human shortsightness... but I am not going to do that here, because all your sympathies are appraisable... but my sympathy is greater, because I care for larger population, BUAHAHAHAHAHA http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...l_laughter.gif

[This message has been edited by 250 (edited 10-09-2001).]

You’re right of course 250... in a way we have been backed into a corner... I just wish America would drop the pretence of acting as a force of righteousness of the world; they are not guiltless in this matter.

An observant spectator might comment that America's support of Israel in their was vs. Pakistan, a war in which America has helped support one side with no more of a claim to the other over the territory disputed, because of the current governments fear of losing the substantial no. of Jewish votes in the US.

This same devaluation of human life being little better than what has occurred at the WTC, however I doubt that we will be seeing the 'Pakistan telethon' or commutative signature pictures any time soon.

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