Oblivion, the above is out of line. If you want to argue a point or comment that someone misreads your posts, fine, but if you insist on making blatant insults part of your posting, you'll be taking a vacation.

It wasn't an insult. He is in fact judgemental of me, and has in fact complained about being judged. These things, taken together, are hypocrisy. Understanding the hypocrisy of a given argument or statement is important to understanding where it fails. The fact is, he was judgemental and he has made a hypocritical statement to the fact. I fail to see how I've insulted his person.

If you want me to stop posting here, I will. I hold no emotional attachments to this forum, and it served merely as a stopgap while the Firearms forums were down. I don't like being subject to selective enforcement of given rules anyways...

[ 03-24-2004, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: Oblivion437 ]

Oblivion, namecalling is namecalling and if you have a specific arguement with someone and wish to directly call someone a hypocrite etc, use the private messages or email. I'm trying to maintain the order per the rules, that's all. Nothing personal!

[ 03-24-2004, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

I understand. No desire to cause real trouble... Will keep said discussion to private messaging.

Thanks, I appreciate it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

The way I see it is Donut said Oblivion (not all progun Americans) was gun obsessed. As such there was no need for Cerek or anyone to get offended, because it's a statement of fact.

I dicuss God a lot. I get engaged in many discussions about God. If you called me "God obsessed" I would agree. It's just the way it is. Or Music obsessed. Or obsessed with history or travel or certain females, or the ocean.

Oblivion appears obsessed with guns to me too. But seeing as he is proguns, I repeat, this should not be taken as insulting should it?

Donut advised it's not healthy. I agree. Guns have a habit of wounding or killing people. That's what they are made to do. Project a piece of metal into flesh to cause as much damage as possible.

Calling someone a judgemental hypocrite is namecalling as it's a character assassination. It's not on.

I can't believe no one understands gun control...It's simple USE TWO HANDS!!

Yorick, guns aren't enriched plutonium. They don't hurt anyone JUST SITTING THERE! It's once you're irresponsible that someone gets hurt needlessly. You may not think so, but I think certain people deserve to get hurt. A lot.

Nuclear weapons, Anthrax, VX Nerve Gas, that stuff kills people even when you handle it properly! There's no proper way to dispose of nuclear waste. They burnt it at Area 51, and that didn't turn out so well. A firearm has to be loaded, readied, and the trigger pulled (in most cases, horridly poor-house weapons like the MAC-10 serve as an exception to that rule) to cause any damage. This understood, there's no reason to ban firearms from one set of hands while trusting them completely in another. That strikes me as odd. If you think guns are so dangerous, do you think soldiers and police officers should be trusted with them? If I thought as you did, I'd at least be consistent and say get rid of them, top to bottom.

Also, Yorick, I didn't insult anyone on this board's person. I merely pointed out that something was said in an absolutely hypocritical manner. This isn't my whole life (I'm guessing it isn't yours either) and guns aren't either. When my mind drifts, I think of two things: Money, and Sex... I'm male, and young, so it's rather natural that I think of sex, but the money thing is a real obsession for me. The more I read about schemes, hustles and dishonest dollar tricks, the more I'm interested in getting involved.

<font color=deepskyblue>This is an opinion- not irrefutable fact - and is highly subjective. For you and <font color=orange>Donut</font> to claim <font color=white>Oblivion's</font> "obsession" with guns is unhealthy is judgemental - since it is based on your individual opinions rather than objective data.

My original comment was actually just an observation of fact. <font color=orange>Donut</font> made a judgemental comment based on his own individual bias...and I felt it was also insulting to claim another person's "obsession" is unhealthy when the only basis for the claim is one person's opinion.

I also agree with <font color=white>Oblivion</font> getting upset about the rules enforcement simply because he has not learned to be as subtle and sly with his comments as other members have.

As for the rest of my original rant, I stand firmly by it. You can look in almost any thread you choose on C.E. to find members making insults and flamebaiting those that disagree with them rather than trying to understand - or at least respect - the other person's opinion.

Two years ago, when I joined IW, members here were able to discuss most topics without too much interference from the Mods. We had discussions on Satanism AND Religion that spread to two complete threads with each thread being nearly 10 pages long. Members of every religious affiliation and those with NO affiliation were able to discuss the issues calmly and with civility (for the most part). When things DID get heated, a one post reminder from the Mods' was all that was needed to calm things down again. Now we've reached the point where religion cannot be discussed AT ALL because members refuse to treat others with respect. The same goes for discussions on politics, abortion, and other "hot topics". It seems like members are more interested in "shooting down" opposing arguments rather than taking the time to actually consider the other person's perspective.</font>

I remember how things used to be around here. I've been on both sides, and on the fence on this issue. It was the cold, hard facts, staring me in the face, combined with a re-examination of what I really want out of life, that sends me on a particular jump here or there. This line of soul-searching is what put me on the side of the fence that I'm on with gun control.