wow... I posted this some days ago and forgot it... did not expect it to cause such a fuzz, as it is like some pointed out, very simplistic...

But can someone explain to me what is a "NEOCON"?

NEOCON is short hand for Neo-Conservitive. Here is a good rundown of what they are about:
Neocon 101

Coz if they had found them they wouldn't be running around like headless chickens shouting 'we told you so didn't we!!!'

Coz if they had found them they wouldn't be running around like headless chickens shouting 'we told you so didn't we!!!' </font>[/QUOTE]Bad Donut! Stop trying to shake his blind faith in his leaders [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Bad Mr. Hussein didn't showed any really good proof that he had destroyed his weapons and was playing with the UN inpectors, but still we don't know for sure that he had them at the time of the attack.
Assuming he had them, of course. ;)
Note the paranthezis I put in there as this has neither been proven nor disproven and as such is not a fact as it is stated in the sentence above. The brutal dictator thing, torture and killings still apply though.
If they exist they are yet to be found.
Obviously to use them or to threaten to do so, yes.
Perhaps Saddam Hussein hid them so well that he couldn't find them when he really needed them. ;)
The Kurds are an ethnic minority who oppossed Saddam's regime and he chose to deal with them in a cruel manner. Saddam is an Arab while the Kurds are not and, although they live in the same country, Saddam probably didn't consider them as his own people.
Yes, bad bad Saddam.
But Saddam the clown has said that he doesn't have a gun anymore, he just haven't proved it and is joking around with the police.
The same weapons he claimed to have gotten rid of. See above answer.
True, more countries than the US are responsible for this mess.
See above answer.
True, so true. But that goes both ways.
See above answer.

Err..Good night John D Harris.

Fact check- The missles that exceeded range only did so very slightly and only because they lacked a guidance system that would have added enough weight to make them legal. Aslo Iraq agreed to destroy the missles and were in the process of doing so when the invasion began. (iirc)

[ 09-18-2003, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

Fact check- The missles that exceeded range only did so very slightly and only because they lacked a guidance system that would have added enough weight to make them legal. Aslo Iraq agreed to destroy the missles and were in the process of doing so when the invasion began. (iirc) </font>[/QUOTE]You testify against your own arguement and I quote "The missles that exceeded range only did so very slightly. HMMMMMMM Chewie last time I checked evenvery slightly still exceded the range unless in your world 150.1=150. If that is the case please remeind me to never have you do my taxes. ;)

or prehaps that very slightly is like being very slightly pregnant?

So what I wrote was indeed the truth as verified by you thank you Chewwbaca. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Fact check- The missles that exceeded range only did so very slightly and only because they lacked a guidance system that would have added enough weight to make them legal. Aslo Iraq agreed to destroy the missles and were in the process of doing so when the invasion began. (iirc) </font>[/QUOTE]You testify against your own arguement and I quote "The missles that exceeded range only did so very slightly. HMMMMMMM Chewie last time I checked evenvery slightly still exceded the range unless in your world 150.1=150. If that is the case please remeind me to never have you do my taxes. ;)

or prehaps that very slightly is like being very slightly pregnant?

So what I wrote was indeed the truth as verified by you thank you Chewwbaca. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Mr. Harris, you assume I was arguing, when I was just offering a broader range of information than was initially provided. I was not contesting what you wrote as true or false, simply observing that it was incomplete.

But if you would like an argument ;) :

Considering the missles were incomplete, that is lacking a key guidance component, it can only be (IMO) half true that they violated the required range limit. They only violated the limit in an incomplete state. Of course the could still be used without a guidance system but they wouldn't be very effective at all.

When complete with the aforemention guidance system they would have not only been "legal" (iirc) but also effective at going somewhere specific.

Also the whole point of the limits placed on missle range was to prevent Iraq from terrorizing it's neighbors.(particularly Isreal) Considering how slightly over the limit these missles were, they still posed little or no threat in the spirit the limits were drafted, especially since they didn't have guidance systems. ;)

Since this is like shooting fish in a barrel, and taking candy from a baby. I have to do something to make it challenging I'll answer in song [img]smile.gif[/img]
Bold type to be sang to the tune of the "Devil went down to Georgia" by CDB

Rokenn went down to IW he was looking for a soul to steal
He was in a bind and way behind, and willing to make a deal
He came upon a man sawing on a fiddle and playing it hot.
Rokenn jumped on a hickory stump, and said boy let me tell you what.
Incase you didn't know it I'm a fiddle player too,
and if you care to take a dare
I'll make a bet with you.
I'll bet this fiddle of gold against your soul
if you think I'm better then you.
"Well my names John D. and I'll take your bet
and your going to regret,
cause I'm the best there's ever been."

Chorus :(to be sang by hot country baby dolls, in "Daisy Dukes", with big hair and small button up shirts tied up that barely cover their...er large lung compacity)
John D. you had better resin up your bow and play your fiddle hard
cause Rokenn's lose in IW and Rokenn deals the cards.
If you win you get that shinny fiddle made of gold,
if you lose Rokenn gets your soul.

Rokenn said "I'll start this show"
as fire flew from his finger tips
as he resined up his bow.
He drew his bow across the strings and it made an evil hiss
a band of demon joined in and it sounded somethinf like this
Chorus:

"Well your purtty good ole son,
but sit right there on that stump,
and let me show you how it's done."
He played "Rokenn's using opinion as facts"
"Dounut's in the house of simple logic that's lax"
"Chewwie is the bread pan try to pick out dough"
(sorry Chewwie, but I needed a third line for the song even though I've already answered your post)

So Rokenn I can take it from your answer quoted above that you can't give any facts just an opinion (the book review from Amazon.com) who's to say that that book review is the only sole truth on the book? (answer that if you can.)
How typical of a liberal when they can't come up with a single fact or answer they try to divert the discusion away from their lack of fact based reasoning by trying to cut down their opponent. So Rokenn I'm still waiting on one single quote of a Bush adiminstration official to back up your claims. And I couldn't help but notice that after you attempted to put down my arguements by saying it was typical of a conservative to dissmis something because thay don't like the author. YOU, yes I mean the personal you, then turned around and did the same thing to about me, and I quote:
That type of action has a great word in the English lanugage to describe it "Hypocrisy", but then again I guess that since you are following the typicial liberal reasonning the rules you apply to others are not the rules you apply to your self. I'm going to give you a piece of advice never, ever fire a shot across my bow, I'll always return the fire amidships at the waterline. So if you take a shot at me you better make it a kill shot.
So from your answer I take it that you have not and do not know know anybody that has been in on any intelligence briefings. From other answers you have given I also take it you base your opinion on the opinion of others that have also not been in on intelligence briefings. I have based my opinions on the words and statements of people that have been in the intelligence briefings. Words and statements that you have yet offered up one single statment of contradiction.

Dounut don't tell me you are trying to say that the intellignce community releases everything it knows. Come on give me a break, that has to be one of the most lax reasoning I've ever seen.

third verse for the intellectualy honest
Rokenn bowed his 'cause he knew that he'd been beat.
He layed the golden fiddle on the ground at John D.'s feet.
John D. said Rokenn just come on back if you ever want to try again.
I told you once you son of a gun I'm the best there's ever been.

new chorus sang by the same country baby dolls
He played "Rokenn's using opinion as facts"
"Dounut's in the house of simple logic that's lax"
"Chewwie is the bread pan try to pick out dough"

[ 09-18-2003, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

Well it's about time an opponent that isn't like shooting fish in a barrel, Lordy I was having to be creative in my replies to keep it interesting. [img]smile.gif[/img] That's the first time I've heard of the guidance system, do you have any links or can you point me in the direction to find it verify that for myself? (I'm not being a smart A** here I'd like to know the facts on that.)
I agree the point of the limits was to protect Israel, but isn't going even 1 mph over the speed limit still speeding, although the spirit of the law is to drive at a safe speed? 1 mph over the speed limit couldn't hardly be considered an unsafe speed, but it could be considered still breaking the law.