<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric:


OK, Fair Enough. I didn't think about how a legitimate - and seemingly harmless - question could still potentially lead to flaming of the Mods.

Thank you for the explanation.<hr></blockquote>


If you're asking for a clarification of something, and doing it in a non-confrontational manner, then I have no problem with it being on forum. However, if you are challenging a decision or questioning a moderator's ruling as being "unfair", it's best to do in in private mail or personal message...that's what they're there for.

Sorry, but we've had far too many bandwagons roll through here. At one time it may have been ok, but after all the fallout that occurred here in September 2001 and after, it's better that we err on the side of conservatism.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Cloudbringer:

The reason this is such an issue, is many people here will tell you of other places that went up in flames and ended up closing because of the horrendous atmosphere (troll haven!) that can occur when too much of that 'questioning' and outright defying of the rules happens. Z is strict because he wants to keep IW a comfortable, fun and useful place for all it's members. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Cloudy<hr></blockquote>

Hm...the name "BG Dungeon" taxis back to me for some reason... ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Sigmar:
Sorry for asking again but what happened to Lavindathar? Was anyone offended by his post, was he banned becuase of what he posted (I cant find the thread in which he addressed some of the mods, namely Larry,Saz and Cloudy)

[ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: Sigmar ]<hr></blockquote>


Lavi is fine, and in no trouble. Please, let's not indulge in speculation, ok? [img]smile.gif[/img] As Larry said, he deleted the thread of his own initiative.

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Once again Sigmar, thanx for ur concern. I deleted the post, because a mod thought I wud get suspended for it. I on the other hand, thought it was perfectly aceptable. But in this time of unstability, I thought I best delete it.

Ok, considering I was the one who was part of the disagreement on the nude beaches thread, I will say I agree with what Downunda says, and I think that we should all respect the moderators.

But I do believe in freedom of opinion and speech...but if this greatly offends someone, and it can be seen why, then I think that censorship is perfectly ok.

There is only one little quibble I have, but I am not going to argue as it was Big Z who made the comment: He said that kids should not read posts about nude beaches....now, I think this is a regional difference. My likkle bro (Beaumanoir) is only 13, and if I told him he was too young to look at a thread about nude beaches, he'd laugh at me. He knows every swear word in the book, and he has probably seen many naked people (not in a sexual way, but maybe passin on a beach or somethin) whilst on holiday.

He is 12. I am 17. And if the thread is held in a mature fashion, I don't see why a 8 year old cant talk about nude beaches.......if you follow.

EG - Just checking back on GD, in the top 10 threads, 2 read:

Pedophiles and the Church - (I think he spelt Pedophile wrong)
Bra Shopping

Both of these too me seem nothing subjects (as in trouble wise), and if both are held in mature conversation will be fine (i've not read either as of yet)...but aren't they as bad/if not worse as a discussion on nude beaches? I'm not questioning, just wondering ;)

BTW - this isn't trying to cause an argument, just offerin my opinion, and if what Z says, goes. :D </font>

[ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: Lavindathar ]</p>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Donut:
My question is: Do I have to show the same degree of respek to moderators of other forums who are posting on GD (such as Cludbringer) as I have to show moderators of GD (such as Memknock)?

Or are there degrees of respek?

:D <hr></blockquote>


You need to be SLAPPED. ;) Any ladies want to volunteer? [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

Seriously, though, since the question has come up: you (collectively) treat ALL moderators with respect, whether they're in their own forum or not. This question was resolved in the late War on Terrorism forum a couple of months ago, when a certain mod was verbally shot down by another (rather rude) member, saying to "butt out because this wasn't their forum to moderate", and Ziroc came back pretty quick with a ruling that you treat ANY mod with respect and follow their advice, regardless of what forum they may be in.

We don't have "global mods", per se, at Ironworks; and that's partially for our own sanity [img]graemlins/uhoh1.gif[/img] . However, all mods are to be treated as if they were "global mods", whether or not they have the ability to lock threads and move topics.

And, regardless of status, mod or member, ANY posting member here is to be treated with respect. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Apologies for 4 posts in a row: I'm just catching up on today's news at the forum.

Cheers,

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Sazerac:


And, regardless of status, mod or member, ANY posting member here is to be treated with respect. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Apologies for 4 posts in a row: I'm just catching up on today's news at the forum.

Cheers,<hr></blockquote>

Hey I Wanted to say that :(

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Sazerac:



And, regardless of status, mod or member, ANY posting member here is to be treated with respect. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Cheers,<hr></blockquote>

I was just about to say that.Let's hope you don't need to be a mod to get some respect.As in everyday life,we should respect each other here,mod or not,male or female,christian or non-christian,and so on,and so on.

BTW Let me take this opportunity to say the mods IMHO all do a great job [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

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To answer Lavi's question...
I personally think that Ziroc would want to keep any thread that supported what the "norm of the society" would call taboo out of the forums because the parents of any American child could easily try to sue Ziroc for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. That is a big offense in our land...and Ziroc does not want to be seen as supporting social taboos, as much as he does not want to be seen supporting Pirated games and movies. I think that sums it all up...but is my guess...</font>

[ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]</p>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Larry_OHF:
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any American</font><hr></blockquote>

<font color="cyan">That is why I put the word "regional" in my post.

In England, none of this would matter. Kids no about sex at the age of 10, you can swear and no one bats an eye unless it is directed at someone. And that thing about someone suing Z just sounds stupid to me?

I guess everyone over there is too concerned with money. (trying not to generalise, but its just true from a European point of view).

Hmmm, I dunno. If thats the way the American public works, then I guess we will have to live in a forum of censorship.</font>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lavindathar:
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Once again Sigmar, thanx for ur concern. I deleted the post, because a mod thought I wud get suspended for it. I on the other hand, thought it was perfectly aceptable. But in this time of unstability, I thought I best delete it.

Ok, considering I was the one who was part of the disagreement on the nude beaches thread, I will say I agree with what Downunda says, and I think that we should all respect the moderators.

But I do believe in freedom of opinion and speech...but if this greatly offends someone, and it can be seen why, then I think that censorship is perfectly ok.

There is only one little quibble I have, but I am not going to argue as it was Big Z who made the comment: He said that kids should not read posts about nude beaches....now, I think this is a regional difference. My likkle bro (Beaumanoir) is only 13, and if I told him he was too young to look at a thread about nude beaches, he'd laugh at me. He knows every swear word in the book, and he has probably seen many naked people (not in a sexual way, but maybe passin on a beach or somethin) whilst on holiday.

He is 12. I am 17. And if the thread is held in a mature fashion, I don't see why a 8 year old cant talk about nude beaches.......if you follow.

EG - Just checking back on GD, in the top 10 threads, 2 read:

Pedophiles and the Church - (I think he spelt Pedophile wrong)
Bra Shopping

Both of these too me seem nothing subjects (as in trouble wise), and if both are held in mature conversation will be fine (i've not read either as of yet)...but aren't they as bad/if not worse as a discussion on nude beaches? I'm not questioning, just wondering ;)

BTW - this isn't trying to cause an argument, just offerin my opinion, and if what Z says, goes. :D </font>

[ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: Lavindathar ]<hr></blockquote>

Lavi, you bring up some good points. One of the problems we have to deal with at IW is that this is an International forum, albeit based in the States. I say "International" because we have posters from around the world, and they all come from different backgrounds with differing social mores.

I am very much aware that Europeans, for example do not view nudity and certain "colorful" epithets in language as bad. Your example of Beaumanoir's not being offended by nude beaches is a case in point. Unfortunately, here in the States and possibly other areas of the world, such topics are considered off-color for young people under a certain age (17 comes to mind here in the US).

Now, suppose one of our junior members is reading one of the "mature" topics, and Mommy comes in and looks over his/her shoulder; or, junior brings up the topic at the dinner table. Mommy, already being fearful of the Internet and its negative effects on her child, reacts with *WHAT KIND OF PLACES ARE YOU GOING ON THE INTERNET?* Best case, Junior gets his privileges revoked (which is bad). Worst case? Ziroc could be slapped with a lawsuit for providing material inappropriate to a minor.

Ok, that's a fictional account, but quite plausible in this day and age. Unless Ziroc restricts Ironworks to be a 18 or older only forum (which we DON'T want, we'd lose a load of wonderful members), we have to abide, unfortunately, by the stricter set of rules dictated by the different societies we have posting here.

That's not to say, of course, that it's set in stone. Mature topics do flourish here. It depends on how they are handled, and how people are conducting themselves in them. If members start acting up, misbehaving, or using foul or crude language to express things that could better be expressed in other manners (for example, using the f*** word to express an intimate act when "copulate" would have done just as well, or better)...well, that's when Ziroc or one of us steps in and closes the thread.

Anyway, I hope this helps clear things up a bit. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Cheers,