Did you know that the National Acadamy of Science spent 7.5 million dollars researching just why Eskimo's need refrigerators.....the NAS has a few flaws. As long as your research is funded by creating crisis' I think you will find that there is always an emergency.

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MagiK: Here are your cold hard facts

From the US EPA

CO2 Emissions from Fossil Fuel Combustion (listed by largest emitter)* figures are in million metric tons

USA: 5480
China: 2715
Russia: 1485
Japan: 1058
India: 926
Germany: 834
UK: 540
Canada: 508
Italy: 440
South Korea: 394

Amazinly I don't see any developing countries in that list. In fact the first developing country to make the top 20 is Mexico, and that I am sure is due to all of the US factories that have set up shop accross the border!

And you will note that the US produces more CO2 emissions than the next three largest producers combined!

I think it is you that should take a look a little closer before you make such absurd statements!

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Correct you are about the popular vote differing with the electoral.
As a whole the system has worked quite well as I said...altho to be honest I think we have reached the point where we could probably go to a straight popular vote with our current technology and communication infrastructure.

As for people being confused by the voting methods...the original constitution
assumed that only well educated people would be voting. There were ammendments made later that allows every citizen vote...which knowing the intelligence of my neighbor who can't figure out how to set his digital clock....makes me wonder about how bright that idea is.

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Magik, your use of logical fallacy is showing... that would be similar to saying that your opinions are of the same quality as Timothy McVeighs' because you're both veterans.

A last note on a friendly basis. I do not want it thought that I am putting anyone down for their beliefs about global warming or the ecology issues. It is good to be concerned. I am just expressing my distress at the sources for the so called data on the subject. Always be critical in your thinking, do not ever just believe something because it was in the news or on TV. Look deeper, look for bias and ulterior motives. I have no motive to foul the air, or pollute the water..I breathe the same things you do, and I drink the same water..it is NOT in my own interest to have a messed up eco-system...I am just not going to be gullible and believe someone just because he is a researcher in search of another government grant.

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Heres a question for ya Moradin...just how did the EPA get those numbers...as far as I know they didn't hang a hose on my exhaust system and collect a sample...what they used was a teensy tiny sampling of data and projected the numbers...those numbers are used in policy making but are in no way believed to be accurate scientific data. (or at least they shouldnt be.) And by the way CO2 is only one type of pollution I was speaking in gross tonnage o waste dumpped. Take a sail along the the South China coast some time..then sail along the Gulf of Mexico and come back and tell me which you would rather be dipped in.

CO2 is one pollutant, lets think raw sewage, lets think of all the pollutants...unless we are talking green house gasses...oh and those metric tons listed for CO2 arent bad compared to say Mount St. Helens or perhaps Pinatubo...or Mauna Kia Again I am not saying we shouldnt continue to clean up. Im just think the kyoto thing is so full of holes that it isnt worth even looking at...Oh and just fyi in the accord China and russia are considered developing nations.

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[This message has been edited by MagiK (edited 09-05-2001).]

My bad.. I said I was going to quit and then poseted again..this is it. I have to curb my bad habbit of always wanting the last word. nasty habbit that... I could be wrong about a lot of things but I do know that kyoto is bad for the USA.

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Just a little blurb I caught in the news MagiK---> Callahan, Fla.
Voters in a city cuoncil election became the first in Florida to use touch-screen voting machines, which many countrys are considering as the state rids itself of the punch-card ballots that hung up the 2000 presidential election.
"No more hanging, dimpled or pregnant chads," Lt. Gov. Frank Brogan said. "Its very impressive"</p>*\Conan/*

Ach don't mention the hanging chads or the dimples isn't two or three months of debating and a court battle enough. The election is over no more complaining about it only trying to fix it for the next elections.

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